...Ravings of a right-wing lunatic.. What did all that have to do with John Dehlin and Jerry Bradford? Droopy, why did you lie to all of us?
Huh?
You said you only came back to talk about Dehlin. Then you said you wouldn't be posting here anymore. You lied to us. Why did you do that?
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
Juggler Vain wrote:You still haven't answered my question. You've made it abundantly clear that in many ways God doesn't/didn't have a hand in the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church, but in what way does/did God have a hand in those things?
-JV
Juggler Vain, may I attempt to answer for Tobin, and all other New-Age/New-Order/Dehlinite Mormons? The answer is very simple: God's hand is found in all things that are broadly acceptable to society, and is not in anything that may look kooky or abhorrent.
For example, God gave us the printing press and blue skies and the revelation to give blacks the priesthood. But God did not cause the disaster in Haiti, he didn't command polygamy, and he never once said that blacks should be denied the priesthood.
I hope that clears things up.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
13 And it came to pass that before this thirteenth year had passed away the Nephites were threatened with utter destruction because of this war, which had become exceedingly sore.
14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites;
15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;
16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year.
17 And it came to pass in the commencement of the fourteenth year, the war between the robbers and the people of Nephi did continue and did become exceedingly sore; nevertheless, the people of Nephi did gain some advantage of the robbers, insomuch that they did drive them back out of their lands into the mountains and into their secret places.
Droopy Droopy Droopy... Read your own sacred text. This all happened in one year, buddy.
- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
13 And it came to pass that before this thirteenth year had passed away the Nephites were threatened with utter destruction because of this war, which had become exceedingly sore.
14 And it came to pass that those Lamanites who had united with the Nephites were numbered among the Nephites;
15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites;
16 And their young men and their daughters became exceedingly fair, and they were numbered among the Nephites, and were called Nephites. And thus ended the thirteenth year.
17 And it came to pass in the commencement of the fourteenth year, the war between the robbers and the people of Nephi did continue and did become exceedingly sore; nevertheless, the people of Nephi did gain some advantage of the robbers, insomuch that they did drive them back out of their lands into the mountains and into their secret places.
Droopy Droopy Droopy... Read your own sacred text. This all happened in one year, buddy.
- VRDRC
Since you're not reading my posts, or honestly engaging the points and arguments made, then, as usual, there's no point in conversing with you.
Nothing is going to startle us more when we pass through the veil to the other side than to realize how well we know our Father [in Heaven] and how familiar his face is to us
- President Ezra Taft Benson
I am so old that I can remember when most of the people promoting race hate were white.
That's not a problem, Mr. Droopy. I'm just pointing out your absurdities on this one. I simply don't have the energy to do it on a consistent basis since you're so consistently absurd reference your religion's doctrines... It'd be a full-time job.
- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
LDSToronto wrote:Juggler Vain, may I attempt to answer for Tobin, and all other New-Age/New-Order/Dehlinite Mormons? The answer is very simple: God's hand is found in all things that are broadly acceptable to society, and is not in anything that may look kooky or abhorrent.
For example, God gave us the printing press and blue skies and the revelation to give blacks the priesthood. But God did not cause the disaster in Haiti, he didn't command polygamy, and he never once said that blacks should be denied the priesthood.
I hope that clears things up.
H.
A simpler way to say that is God is the truth. Those things that are not true are not from God.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
LDSToronto wrote:Juggler Vain, may I attempt to answer for Tobin, and all other New-Age/New-Order/Dehlinite Mormons? The answer is very simple: God's hand is found in all things that are broadly acceptable to society, and is not in anything that may look kooky or abhorrent.
For example, God gave us the printing press and blue skies and the revelation to give blacks the priesthood. But God did not cause the disaster in Haiti, he didn't command polygamy, and he never once said that blacks should be denied the priesthood.
I hope that clears things up.
H.
A simpler way to say that is God is the truth. Those things that are not true are not from God.
Did you just claim the Book of Mormon and Bible contain falsehoods? You do realize that both those tomes are canon, no?
- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Juggler Vain wrote:You still haven't answered my question. You've made it abundantly clear that in many ways God doesn't/didn't have a hand in the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church, but in what way does/did God have a hand in those things?
-JV
Juggler Vain, may I attempt to answer for Tobin, and all other New-Age/New-Order/Dehlinite Mormons? The answer is very simple: God's hand is found in all things that are broadly acceptable to society, and is not in anything that may look kooky or abhorrent.
For example, God gave us the printing press and blue skies and the revelation to give blacks the priesthood. But God did not cause the disaster in Haiti, he didn't command polygamy, and he never once said that blacks should be denied the priesthood.
LDSToronto wrote:Juggler Vain, may I attempt to answer for Tobin, and all other New-Age/New-Order/Dehlinite Mormons? The answer is very simple: God's hand is found in all things that are broadly acceptable to society, and is not in anything that may look kooky or abhorrent.
For example, God gave us the printing press and blue skies and the revelation to give blacks the priesthood. But God did not cause the disaster in Haiti, he didn't command polygamy, and he never once said that blacks should be denied the priesthood.
I hope that clears things up.
H.
A simpler way to say that is God is the truth. Those things that are not true are not from God.
Third time's a charm: Which parts of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church are "from God" or "the truth"?