I will Believe the Book of Mormon as history when...

[_beastie]

ROTFL!

Apparently your objection to generalizing about text one has not read wasn't a matter of principle, but hypocritical convenience.

Don't worry - we already knew that.

[_beastie]

Well, unless they have been "peer reviewed" and published by legitimate scientific journals, I hardly see any reason to read anything you write. Why read an amateur when I have all this other fabulous "professional" material and "peer reviewed" valid and objective scientifically undetatched no axe to grind quality materials?

Well, had you read my essays, you would see that they are comprised largely of citations from scholars in the field.

But, by all means, use scholarly materials about Mesoamerica to prove how I am incorrect in my statement.

So far you've tooted your horn a lot, and crowed about the ability of you, or DCP, to rebut my arguments, but have offered zero substance.

[_beastie]

Oh, and DCP - I'm still waiting for even one example of pseudoscience that went on to be accepted by mainstream science. In fact, that's the only example that matters at all.

[_Joey]

Ya give a guy enough time (a commodity Peterson seems to have plenty of) and he will show ya plenty of desperation and ignoranve.Must have really hit a chord here!

Now, let's not forget to put in your list of analogies, that the Bozo lunch pail I had in the 60's cost about a buck and now they are a collector's item. It is just as meaningful.

The comparison to Tolstoy is, at least, your admission to the Book of Mormon historicity works of Clark and Sorenson as truely fictional. Bravo to you.

This thread gives more attention to these works of Clark and Sorenson than they can get anywhere else.

If there was Saturday Night Live for professors you would be the reincarnate of John Belushi! (Hmmmmm, Animal House -- FARMS! Is there a similarity there?????)

Carry on though, teaching one course every year or so gives you a life here. Call me (or realistically, have someone at Farms contact the heirs to my estate) when Clark/Sorenson get the Tolstoy treatment!!!

[_beastie]

Call me (or realistically, have someone at Farms contact the heirs to my estate) when Clark/Sorenson get the Tolstoy treatment!!!

Expect it around the same time the "aliens built the pyramids" argument gets recognized as solid science.

[_JustMe]

beastie

Well, had you read my essays, you would see that they are comprised largely of citations from scholars in the field.

When I say that about my own research, I get laughed to scorn. Can you give me one good reason why I shouldn't do the same here? Again, why read your stuff if it is not peer reviewed? I get this argument all the time against my own research from just such an one as yourself. Your kind gives me that argument. No peer reivew, no value. So...... are your materials peer reviewed? If not what value are they really? If my materials, which are easily as well researched as yours are, are not worth reading until published in scientific journals, what is it that makes yours so valuable? Your word only? I'm sorry, but that is merely self-serving. That is what I am told. I even challenge others as you have me here. You have to actually read my materials to see if they are valuable. But all I seem to get is if they are not peer reviewed and published in valid scholarly journals they ain't worth my time. So likewise with yours. It SUCKS. Get used to it, or publish and then crow about what value your writings have. That's what I am told from folks on these boards, I shall return the same sentiment.

[_JustMe]

beastie

So far you've tooted your horn a lot, and crowed about the ability of you, or DCP, to rebut my arguments, but have offered zero substance.

I have never said one word about being able to rebut your arguments. If they are not peer reviewed and published in valid scholarly journals they aren't even readable as far as I am concerned. That is the treatment I get, that is the treatment I return. I simply have no need to provide any substance whatsoever about anything you write or have written. I can dismiss your efforts as easily as folks dismiss mine for the same supposed defect, namely, not being peer reviewed and not being published in serious and valid scholarly journals. Until a lot more folks out here get the idea in their heads that something is valid outside the peer review and publishing in scholarly journals process is worth reading and discussing and learning, I shall simply repeat your own mantras to me. It SUCKS don't it.........

[_Jersey Girl]

How important do people think peer review is to determining accuracy? Do folks generally think that a peer reviewed article is trustworthy?

If so, why?
If not, why not?

[_JustMe]

beastie

Note that DCP's examples were all examples of theories based on sound scientific principles being later validated by mainstream science.

This is easier than falling off a log.... The reason Dr. Peterson is doing this is because he is using example after example after example showing that the pal joey principle is simply a canard made up without any thought put into it whatsoever. And it is singularly the most effective destruction of most anything pal joey has ever said. Anyone with half a brain can see this.

[_Jersey Girl]

beastie:

Well, had you read my essays, you would see that they are comprised largely of citations from scholars in the field.

So are JustMe's. Having said that, beastie, in your view, how are these essays best evaluated?

What criteria should we use?