Something Troubling in Sunday School

[_LDSToronto]

Here is an off-shoot question, but I think it helps put things in perspective. Men--How comfortable would you feel confessing a sexual sin to a female bishop?

I think that it would turn me on depending on how graphic I would be allowed to be. Next question.

You're a sick pig.

H.

[_why me]

I was always taught that the most important mission I could serve was to have babies and raise them in the church.

You missed the boat a little on this one: A woman's important mission is to care and nurture the choice spirit given to her by heavenly father. And since we are all spirit children of god, women have a very important mission to fulfill. They are being a mother to one of god's choice spirits. Men are also partners in this. But their role is different from the mother.

[_why me]

You're a sick pig.

H.

I know. But my point was to counter liz. Men would have no problem talking sex with a woman. And there are many men who would not mind at all talking about masturbation with a woman bishop. The question is: can a woman handle it. Maybe not.

[_ajax18]

I can't speak for others, but I care because I'm mindful of the messages being sent to my daughter (and I think I'd be an irresponsible parent if I didn't pay attention).

I was bombarded with reverse racism messages my entire youth. I was told to suffer it and support it because it was more important that we keep the peace than uphold any sense of right and wrong. That's government sanctioned and I had no choice but to be indoctrinated with it in public school.

Why should church be any different?

You have a choice of going to church or not. When it comes to the government, as a minority (in my case a white anglo saxon male) I have no choice nor power against the majority to change it.

You are correct though, you aren't just dealing with women, you're dealing with girls. My adventurous, wild-hearted daughter is one of those girls. And you'd be surprised how many little girls perceive inequality at church and are not okay with it.

There is inequality against men in the LDS church as well. The entire dating and marriage scene, from the first date to the divorce settlement, is one eternal round of inequality. You may not be able to appreciate the inequality when you're on the winning side of it, but it's still very unequal. It shows in the brethrens talks where they exclusively blame the men for marriages not happening earlier, when the truth be known it has as much or more to do with the willingness of the sisters to marry young. I'm not okay with it, but I don't have to participate in the Church by law like I have to read from a public school textbook or be subject to feminine jurisprudence.

If women had equal rights, would they also be willing to accept equal responsibility? I think not.

[_Yoda]

If women had equal rights, would they also be willing to accept equal responsibility? I think not.

Someone is bitter.

[Guest]

You have a choice of going to church or not.

No, I don't. Her father is allowed to have some say in her spirituality, and he chooses to take her to the LDS church with him twice a month. I have no right to tell him that he isn't allowed to take her to the church of his choosing at least part of the time.

As far as the government goes, what country do you live in? I live in the United States, and here, you can lobby to change how gender, race, etc. are taught in public schools. Also, if you really dislike how they do things in public schools, private schooling of your choice is available.

There is inequality against men in the LDS church as well.

I acknowledge that there are ways in which the LDS church structure and culture disadvantage men. I disagree with you that LDS men are more disadvantaged than LDS women, and I especially disagree with your insinuation that you can only care about one or the other and aren't allowed to care about both.

If women had equal rights, would they also be willing to accept equal responsibility? I think not.

I disagree. Sounds like I think more highly of women than you do.

PS --- Since when was "white anglo saxon male" a "minority"? Seriously, what country do you live in?

[_Yoda]

You're a sick pig.

H.

I know. But my point was to counter liz. Men would have no problem talking sex with a woman. And there are many men who would not mind at all talking about masturbation with a woman bishop. The question is: can a woman handle it. Maybe not.

Darth and I already established that one didn't go over well. As far as whether women can handle it, judge for yourself from my post. LOL

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On a more serious note..I think that many women I know would make excellent bishops. Two friends of mine who come to mind are both professional counselors. They are great listeners, and could put anyone at ease.

[Guest]

I think that it would turn me on depending on how graphic I would be allowed to be. Next question.

No surprise there. I've often suspected that you jerk it as you write creepy posts on this forum. Please don't confirm it even if I'm right. I don't want to know.

[_Buffalo]

On a more serious note..I think that many women I know would make excellent bishops. Two friends of mine who come to mind are both professional counselors. They are great listeners, and could put anyone at ease.

Hey, there's an idea - pick bishops who are actually QUALIFIED to counsel people about their problems.

[_why me]

This makes me really sad, for you and or all women in the church. But especially for you.

I am so glad my daughter will never grow up to hear this message, but I'm still very sad that you felt your life had only one purpose. You are way more than a baby factory.

H.

This is not true at all. Of course you are a nonbeliever. But for those LDS who believe in the LDS church, a child is a spirit child of heavenly father and heavenly mother. And this spirit child was waiting to come to earth and gain a body. What more beautiful calling can there be than to nurture and care for one of these choice spirits? It is a noble calling to be a mother. And why is there such good family bonding in the LDS family? Because there is this understanding that we all are children of heavenly parents and there needs to be love for one another to bring us all home to our heavenly parents.