LDS Church: Sexist?

[Anonymous]

Since when is the relationship between men and women solely sexual based? What is the old saying? Behind every great man is a great woman? I think that sums it up.

Gaz

What other differences do men and men have beyond sex/gender? Sexual organs and reproductive ability is the only thing men and women have different.

So are you saying women are inferior to men-yes or no?

Bond

[_Gazelam]

No, women are not inferior to men. They are at the side of man, working together for a common cause.
Man is supposed to be at the head, making the final decision in the direction of the home. He is to provide and care for, createing an enviorment that the wife can nurture and care for the children in.

For exaltation, men and women must be united as one in the gospel and its teachings. Highest exaltation occurs as a couple. They are Gods together.

Gaz

[_Bond...James Bond]

No, women are not inferior to men. They are at the side of man, working together for a common cause.
Man is supposed to be at the head, making the final decision in the direction of the home. He is to provide and care for, createing an enviorment that the wife can nurture and care for the children in.

For exaltation, men and women must be united as one in the gospel and its teachings. Highest exaltation occurs as a couple. They are Gods together.

Gaz

So if man's the head, what's woman, the back of the kneecap? Why can't woman be the head if they're equal?

Why can't the man take care of the kid and the woman provide a safe environment?

Bond

[_Polygamy Porter]

For exaltation, men and women must be united as one in the gospel and its teachings. Highest exaltation occurs as a couple. They are Gods together.

Gaz

BS Meter just pegged. Call for references Gaz.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

No, women are not inferior to men. They are at the side of man, working together for a common cause.

My problem with this is, how can any woman feel she is "at the side of man" and his equal, but yet the man alone presides in the home? To me, 'presiding' in the home is mutually exclusive of true equality between husband and wife. The home is the one place where neither spouse should 'preside' over the other, in my opinion.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Gaz...

Why do you choose to highlight the first part of my post and not the second?

Only had a minute online.

Since when is the relationship between men and women solely sexual based?

Not saying it is. I'm saying male and female were created about three hundred million years ago in the reptile.

What is the old saying? Behind every great man is a great woman? I think that sums it up.

So its a woman's fault if a guy is great... is it a woman's fault if a guy is a creep? Is it a man's fault if a woman is scum? How about if she is great? This idea is nonsense! How about we all take responsibility for who we are knowing we are part of a community.

And stop with the "Man came from bacteria" garbage, to reject creation is to reject Chist and your full potential.

To pretend that evolution doesn't exist is to reject reality. You may have a myth that gives you a sense of purpose but at least acknowledge it is a myth.

How is rejecting the archaic story of a six day creation rejecting one's full potential?

in my opinion, the thought that we were created out of material from a star, that we have a four billion year history of life, and that the universe brought forth self awareness in the human FAR outshines the idea that a supreme being magically plopped (from another world?), two humans on the earth five thousand years ago.

The point is, the idea of women being created for the pleasure of men is SICK! The idea of men needing to be in charge of a home completely eliminates the idea of an equal partnership or a healthy relationship.


~dancer~

[_Rollo Tomasi]

The idea of men needing to be in charge of a home completely eliminates the idea of an equal partnership or a healthy relationship.

I completely agree with this statement. I wish the Church would disavow the whole "father presides in the home" doctrine, but since it is now expressly stated in the Proclamation, I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

[_Runtu]

The idea of men needing to be in charge of a home completely eliminates the idea of an equal partnership or a healthy relationship.

I completely agree with this statement. I wish the Church would disavow the whole "father presides in the home" doctrine, but since it is now expressly stated in the Proclamation, I don't see it happening in my lifetime.

It's kind of a circular thing: as long as only men have the priesthood, men will "preside" in the home. And as long as men are seen as presiding in the home, there's no reason to give women the priesthood. I don't see this changing anytime soon.

[_truth dancer]

It will change when the leaders are committed to stopping abuse. It will change when women no longer will join the church because of the repression. It will change when leaders want to improve marriages. It will change where the church has no choice but to evolve with society. I'm guessing it will take at least fifty years.


~dancer~

[_Mister Scratch]

No, women are not inferior to men. They are at the side of man, working together for a common cause.
Man is supposed to be at the head, making the final decision in the direction of the home. He is to provide and care for, createing an enviorment that the wife can nurture and care for the children in.

For exaltation, men and women must be united as one in the gospel and its teachings. Highest exaltation occurs as a couple. They are Gods together.

Gaz

Nevertheless, the Brethren have long taught that women are dependent upon men for exaltation in a way that doesn't cut both ways. (Think about who pulls whom through the veil.)

Really, the list of ways in which sexism is present in the Church goes on for quite a ways:
---polygamy
---No priesthood for women
---No passing the sacrament, or administering ordinances
---The Church's opposition to the ERA
---excommunication for praying to Heavenly Mother
---Sunday school lessons which seem aimed at cementing a "Madonna-Whore" mentality into girls, such as the "chewed-up gum" lesson
---No female equivalent of the Boy Scouts
---Draconian restrictions on girls' appearances (such as the two earrings thing)
---material limiting women's roles in the POTF
---the old restriction against women praying in Sac. Meeting
---Etc., etc., etc.

I agree with Rollo and others that the Church has a long ways to go.