Why is the only TBM argument against ex/anti/nevermos...

[_marg]

Marg,

TBMs who insist in an online environment to use the tactics that people like Wade, Juliann, Coggins etc use are the topic of my post. If the shoe don't fit you, move on.

The topic of your post was "Why is the only TBM argument against ex/anti/nevermos...that or variation of stupidity."

You used the word "only", it is highly doubtful GIMR that Mormons boil all arguments down to one argument of "stupidity". And you didn't specify you were referring to certain individuals.

As for your line "If the shoe don't fit you, move on"..you are again doing what you were criticizing Mormons of doing. Essentially telling me I don't know enough to voice my opinion.

Also, in my dealings with many Mormons, online and not, when you don't toe the line, there is always something wrong with YOU, not the system. I hate that. I've dealt with that enough in life, I will not deal with that in religion.

Well then be specific and say what you just said, that in YOUR dealings and in general you notice that the fault is typically placed on the exmormon and not on the church.

I feel that internet TBMs who insist on telling nonmos that they are at fault for whatever happened to them in the church are indeed making asses of themselves. And you can cry all you want at that Marg. The typical TBM response to the ex/anti/nevermo is one of negativity. I've experienced that for four years now.

You are wrong if you think I'm emotional, would "cry" about this. Your posts in this thread reflect you are the emotional one. I agree with you that in general in my readings on the Net, Mormons want to assume the exmember as having some deficiency as the reason for their leaving ..and the church they find little to no fault with. But that is to be expected, because if the member acknowledged the exmormons were right that the church was set up fraudulently, then they'd have to admit the church isn't a speaker for a God, essentially the ultimate authority over all individuals.

[_Sam Harris]

Another typical TBM diversion tactic. Nitpicking, finding specific words to find fault with, and subtle character defamation.

Good job, Marg.

Now back to homework.

[_ozemc]

I personally don't think ex/anti/ whatevers are stupid.

Theres just something blocking the spirit from testifying to them. Different for each I'm sure.

Well, as a "nevermo", I can safely say that the spirit testified to me that the LDS church and the Book of Mormon are NOT true.

The spirit also testified that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon to impress his father-in-law since he married the daughter against her father's wishes, came up with polygamy being God's way because he got caught in bed with a teenager by his wife, and wrote most of the D&C to keep his own power.

Don't even get me started on the Kinderhook Plates, or the so-called Book of Abraham.

I don't think Mormons are stupid, just misled.

Remember, Gaz, the truth shall set you free. You just have to have an open enough mind to accept it.

[_harmony]

Another typical TBM diversion tactic. Nitpicking, finding specific words to find fault with, and subtle character defamation.

Good job, Marg.

Now back to homework.

Marg is a member? I thought Marg was an atheist.

[_Sam Harris]

Whatever Marg is, he/she is being a pain in my behind. If you believe in nothing, don't try to champion for something you do not understand.

That reminds me of another person I've dealt with on other forums. It's ok for the crap to fly in the direction of maintsteam Christians, but if we complain or retaliate, we're in the wrong.

Ever since the day I first questioned, I have had my character defamed. By who? Fundie TBMs. I've had my spirituality questioned. By who? Fundie TBMs. I've had my race questioned. By who? I think you get the picture. I've had my sanity questioned. I've had my motives questioned. And last but not least, I've had my intelligence questioned.

With the exception of one person who probably doesn't know who he is let alone what he believes, all of the above came from TBMs. Never once did a moderate LDS do the above. I stand by my original post, and if Marg just likes to argue, Marg can do it with someone else. I've had enough of folks who just want to contradict someone for the sake of doing so. Which in fact, I've seen a few athiests do. They believe in no God, but when the topic is religiously based, they want to jump in as if they're a part. I don't understand that. Hey Marg, when the TBMs come and have things to say about non-LDS, are you just as strident? Where were you when folks like Loran and Juliann were questioning my race? Where were you when Wade felt I was the reason his dee-dee-dee behind got banned from FAIR? Where are you when the generalizations are made by the other side?

*laughs*

[_Sam Harris]

Marg,

TBMs who insist in an online environment to use the tactics that people like Wade, Juliann, Coggins etc use are the topic of my post. If the shoe don't fit you, move on.

The topic of your post was "Why is the only TBM argument against ex/anti/nevermos...that or variation of stupidity."

You used the word "only", it is highly doubtful GIMR that Mormons boil all arguments down to one argument of "stupidity". And you didn't specify you were referring to certain individuals.

Every Fundie TBM that has seen me question, in the flavor of folks like Wade, Loran, Pahoran, etc. has done this. Have you walked in my shoes? If not, who are you to tell me what I've experienced? And what if others have experienced the same thing? Do they have to deal with you denying them, as well?

As for your line "If the shoe don't fit you, move on"..you are again doing what you were criticizing Mormons of doing. Essentially telling me I don't know enough to voice my opinion.

Not about me, you don't.

Also, in my dealings with many Mormons, online and not, when you don't toe the line, there is always something wrong with YOU, not the system. I hate that. I've dealt with that enough in life, I will not deal with that in religion.

Well then be specific and say what you just said, that in YOUR dealings and in general you notice that the fault is typically placed on the exmormon and not on the church.

Ok, at this point you're just looking for an argument. My "dealings" have been played out in many the journey of the exmo. Were you ever LDS? When you doubted and left, did they say to you, gee, you've made a rational, intelligent decision, best wishes on your journey? If so, please tell me where that ward is!

I feel that internet TBMs who insist on telling nonmos that they are at fault for whatever happened to them in the church are indeed making asses of themselves. And you can cry all you want at that Marg. The typical TBM response to the ex/anti/nevermo is one of negativity. I've experienced that for four years now.

[quoteYou are wrong if you think I'm emotional, would "cry" about this. Your posts in this thread reflect you are the emotional one. [/quote]

Marg, please don't pull a Wade. We have enough McDonalds style psychoanalysis here.

I agree with you that in general in my readings on the Net, Mormons want to assume the exmember as having some deficiency as the reason for their leaving ..and the church they find little to no fault with. But that is to be expected, because if the member acknowledged the exmormons were right that the church was set up fraudulently, then they'd have to admit the church isn't a speaker for a God, essentially the ultimate authority over all individuals.

Well then, we have no argument, and you have wasted good typing time. It may be "to be expected", but that doesn't make it right. I expect my female cousins to procreate without forethought or marriage again within the next year, but that doesn't make it right.

And what were you getting at with your long dissertation? That because their behavior is to be expected, I should just not say anything?

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Another typical TBM diversion tactic. Nitpicking, finding specific words to find fault with, and subtle character defamation.

Good job, Marg.

Now back to homework.

GIMR

When are your classes finished???? Are you still taking finals???

Marg......could be pretending to be someone else....or she enjoys nitpicking....she is a nitpicking nitwit....

That's funny

[_Sam Harris]

Misery,

I finished both classes, and one was graded last night. I got an A minus! Yay! My other teacher is on the tail end of a mission in india, I believe, so he won't be back for a few. But I think I got at least a B in that class. I'm excited. When I was younger and in school, I was so depressed all the time due to my family issues, that I barely got above a C in most classes. I was convinced that I'd never be as smart as my peers. I'm very happy, and very VERY grateful for the chance to go to school. I've waited 7 years for this. I first had to get healthy enough on all levels to attend, then I had to wait until I was old enough to sign my own FAFSA forms. I'm really happy at how it turned out. I was a bit concerned at first, thinking that this would turn out like all my other tries. But I feel more reassured now.

How are your studies going?

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Well I have two more papers to write which I can have in by January 2nd...

I did not have a good semester...remember those boys I told you about...welll it is a long story...So I don't have my final grades yet,,,had a break down...but no grades yet

But I think I will at least pass my classes. I liked community college so much better...none of what happened to me this semester would have happened at a community college...


I graduated with honors from Community college. But big deal, these honors got me into the college I am at now....but
These white boys have made my life a living hell...oh well live and learn.....so Like I say live and learn

Next semester will be better....I hope

[_Sam Harris]

What happened exactly, if I may ask? If you're not comfortable going over that, I understand.