Spong, re "The Second Coming"

[_Gazelam]

Gaz, seems to me that what Roger's studies have done for him is give him the kind of peacefulness to give you this kind and thoughtful answer to your frenzied and fearful post. I'll have what Roger's having.

Yes, I'm sure dumping and discarding all of ones covenants and believing there is no God would make someone feel relaxed. Kind of like people that drop-out of highschool to sponge off their parents and sit on the couch watching tv, very relaxing.

Frnzied and fearful? How about disgusted and angry that a former Branch president would now reject his Savior and preach against the living God.

[_cacheman]

Yes, I'm sure dumping and discarding all of ones covenants and believing there is no God would make someone feel relaxed. Kind of like people that drop-out of highschool to sponge off their parents and sit on the couch watching tv, very relaxing.

Comparing Roger to a highschool drop-out sponging off his parents is kind of interesting, but it doesn't make sense to me. Relaxation and peacefulness are two different things. I would suspect that someone like you described may be relaxed, but I doubt they are at peace with themselves and others. Roger's peacefulness comes across in how he treats others, and avoids reciprocating anger. I just assume that he's a bit more spiritually mature than some of us.

How about disgusted and angry that a former Branch president would now reject his Savior and preach against the living God.

I think that you misinterpret Roger and Spong. There's no need to be angry.

cacheman

[_Gazelam]

As I understand Roger, hes led a very fruitful life, and at this point he has the ability to travel and enjoy all the fruits of his lifes labors. Roger is intelligent and kind, but at this point he is being misled by an artful liar.

[_Jersey Girl]

Ahh, see? You CAN respond to a post without utilizing personal attacks and demands for minutia.

Ya mean like these:

"How many Lutherans and catholics do you see calling their flock to repentance because "the end times" are here and they need to get right with this God guy. As for Northern Baptists, sure. Maybe the shifty eyed mouth breathers that congregate in strip mall chapels in northern towns believe in the second coming but then again they are simply a new vector of the social disease known as evangelical christianity creeping ever northward.

And speaking as a newly crowned southerner, they are as thick as cockroaches in an assistant crack whores bedroom down here."

Seriously, Mercury, do you bother to read the exchanges that you yourself have participated in or do you just randomly shoot your keyboard off wherever you feel like it at the moment?

[_Polygamy Porter]

As I understand Roger, he's led a very fruitful life, and at this point he has the ability to travel and enjoy all the fruits of his lifes labors. Roger is intelligent and kind, but at this point he is being misled by an artful liar.

ROTFL!!!

I am glad you two found some common ground!

[_cacheman]

As I understand Roger, he's led a very fruitful life, and at this point he has the ability to travel and enjoy all the fruits of his lifes labors. Roger is intelligent and kind, but at this point he is being misled by an artful liar.

I would imagine that Roger, Spong, you, me, and others are simply interpreting things in ways that make the most sense to us personally. There is a human side to the beliefs one espouses that extends beyond intellectualism. I would be careful in characterizing the writings of Spong or whoever as solely products of intellectualism. What Roger has posted here resonates with me, and the "intelligence and kindness" observed in Roger and likeminded individuals has some evidentiary value to me.

cacheman

[_Gazelam]

As I understand Roger, he's led a very fruitful life, and at this point he has the ability to travel and enjoy all the fruits of his lifes labors. Roger is intelligent and kind, but at this point he is being misled by an artful liar.

I would imagine that Roger, Spong, you, me, and others are simply interpreting things in ways that make the most sense to us personally. There is a human side to the beliefs one espouses that extends beyond intellectualism. I would be careful in characterizing the writings of Spong or whoever as solely products of intellectualism. What Roger has posted here resonates with me, and the "intelligence and kindness" observed in Roger and likeminded individuals has some evidentiary value to me.

cacheman

There is such a thing as concrete fact. It is a concrete fact that Christ was the first to be resurrected, making it possible for us all to be resurrected likewise.

There is also to be a second coming of Christ, in his glory. This will be followed by the Millinium, where the work for the dead will take place. This is also a concrete fact.

Spong is a man of NO FAITH WHATSOEVER. He misinterprets scripture, this is the opinion of all of his contemporaries. He denies the divinity of Christ, he denies the inspiration of scripture, and he himself is incapable of calling down a single scrap of revelation. A faithful person who prays regarding the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon and recognizes the inspration of the Holy Ghost knows more about God than Spong has learned in his 40 + years of study.

If that man speaks to your soul, you have need of repentance.

[_cacheman]

If that man speaks to your soul, you have need of repentance.

I have many areas of my life in which repentance is needed, but I don't believe that I need to repent for things revealed to me that bring peace, clarity, and motivation to my "soul". That's just my opinon. You've got yours.... and that's ok.

cacheman

[_Mercury]

Spong is an anti-christ, no different than Korihor.(Alma chp.30) Anyone who reads and believes what this man has to say are deluding themselves.

http://www.creationontheweb.com/content/view/2882/

Shouldn't you be in the chapel? Remember Gaz, this is the internet and not testimony meeting.

[_Roger Morrison]

Frnzied and fearful? How about disgusted and angry that a former Branch president would now reject his Savior and preach against the living God.

Hi Gaz, thanks for that site. I now know where your un-like-Gaz-words came from. I'm not surprised by their attack on Spong. When confronted by "revolutionary thinking" --their words describing Spong--a person usually does 1 of 3 things: Agree, disagree or be indifferent. Their position is obvious, much as was the Sanhedrian's reaction to the Revolutionary-Jesus: Pillary--CRUCIFY--the heretic/apostate!! As it seems you intend to do with Spong, and/or with anyone else who disagrees with you. (Seems me too?)

It appears we have a contest between Spong's theology/scholarship & Fundamentalist scholarship/theology. So be it. Time & intelligence will determine which is/will most positively effect society. You, Gaz have your side, & i have mine.

Doc, please forgive & excuse me for what i'm about to do:

Yes, I'm sure dumping and discarding all of ones covenants and believing there is no God would make someone feel relaxed. Kind of like people that drop-out of highschool to sponge off their parents and sit on the couch watching tv, very relaxing.

Gazzy, Gazzy, Gazzy--how low will You go, Bro? I'm relaxed cuz, "...i know the truth," as promised by MY "saviour". Too bad about yers not helping You out of your "frustration and anger." I am finding it increasingly difficult to understand your 'take' on Jesus & his teachings of charity & personal responsibility???

Come-on Bro, comparing ME to a "...a highschool-drop-out-sponge...couch-spud..."??? This is not gaining You points! IF you will do the deep-breathing thing, go for a long walk, study, fast & pray about this, then MAYBE we can continue this discussion sensibly & spiritually... Warm regards, Roger