ozemc wrote:Especially at a site such as Cumorah, which supposedly had so many people there. If there were millions, I would think it hgihly improbable, if not impossible that everything had been unearthed.
I am waiting for rcrocket to pull the "god hid the evidence" card in a last ditch effort to justify his foolish belief.
Well, I certainly don't hear crickets chirping over here, and I see no countervailing cites from you to refute my position. I guess you don't see cites referenced in Halo.
ozemc wrote:No, I don't dismiss it completely, but we are talking about one book, written in 1820. The state of the science has certainly changed since then, and I would necessarily think that any of the claims of that many mounds could be validated. I.E. there would be evidence that they had existed and were dug up. Also, I would think that, using the crude tools available for that time period would indicate that there would be something left. Again, my question, it can't have all been dug up, can it?
Especially at a site such as Cumorah, which supposedly had so many people there. If there were millions, I would think it hgihly improbable, if not impossible that everything had been unearthed.
If I chose to do so, I could cite many many more books just like the one I have cited. I happen to try and cite books I own. But, there are many more. But, I can understand why you would want to simply dismiss it out of hand without a thought because it doesn't fit what you think you know about the history of the Native Americans.
rcrocket
You are a fool to believe the battles in the Book of Mormon story occurred at the NY Cumorah. There simply is no evidence.
Now you attempt to throw up vague theories for why there is no evidence.
Keep digging, the hole you are in is nearly deep enough to hide your embarrassment.
ozemc wrote:Especially at a site such as Cumorah, which supposedly had so many people there. If there were millions, I would think it hgihly improbable, if not impossible that everything had been unearthed.
I am waiting for rcrocket to pull the "god hid the evidence" card in a last ditch effort to justify his foolish belief.
Well, I certainly don't hear crickets chirping over here, and I see no countervailing cites from you to refute my position. I guess you don't see cites referenced in Halo.
rcrocket
You have yet to state a position concerning any artifacts around the NY Cumorah. You have been all over the eastern countryside, but you have yet to address the lack of ANY evidence found around the NY Cumorah.
I bet mo'pologists lurking this thread are either shaking their heads at your or just out right laughing at what a fool you are making of yourself.
ozemc wrote:Especially at a site such as Cumorah, which supposedly had so many people there. If there were millions, I would think it hgihly improbable, if not impossible that everything had been unearthed.
I am waiting for rcrocket to pull the "god hid the evidence" card in a last ditch effort to justify his foolish belief.
Well, I certainly don't hear crickets chirping over here, and I see no countervailing cites from you to refute my position. I guess you don't see cites referenced in Halo.
rcrocket
You have yet to state a position concerning any artifacts around the NY Cumorah. You have been all over the eastern countryside, but you have yet to address the lack of ANY evidence found around the NY Cumorah.
I bet mo'pologists lurking this thread are either shaking their heads at your or just out right laughing at what a fool you are making of yourself.
Did you read the Atlantic article?
Do you have a cite the scientific paper you and friends claim to exist?
Should I just stop asking? Don't want to be rude, notwithstanding my rude comments about game controllers and Halo.
ozemc wrote:No, I don't dismiss it completely, but we are talking about one book, written in 1820. The state of the science has certainly changed since then, and I would necessarily think that any of the claims of that many mounds could be validated. I.E. there would be evidence that they had existed and were dug up. Also, I would think that, using the crude tools available for that time period would indicate that there would be something left. Again, my question, it can't have all been dug up, can it?
Especially at a site such as Cumorah, which supposedly had so many people there. If there were millions, I would think it hgihly improbable, if not impossible that everything had been unearthed.
If I chose to do so, I could cite many many more books just like the one I have cited. I happen to try and cite books I own. But, there are many more. But, I can understand why you would want to simply dismiss it out of hand without a thought because it doesn't fit what you think you know about the history of the Native Americans.
rcrocket
No, I dismiss it because of what I know about science and probability.
To have a mass extinction of over 2,000,000 people and have no evidence that they ever existed, even if given that possibillty that some farmers may have dug up some of what was left, is physically impossible.
There are no graves.
There is no trash.
There is no metal.
There are no buildings.
There are no latrines.
There is no evidence of meals.
There is nothing.
Societies left behind evidence that they existed.
There is none for the people mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
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ozemc wrote:No, I don't dismiss it completely, but we are talking about one book, written in 1820. The state of the science has certainly changed since then, and I would necessarily think that any of the claims of that many mounds could be validated. I.E. there would be evidence that they had existed and were dug up. Also, I would think that, using the crude tools available for that time period would indicate that there would be something left. Again, my question, it can't have all been dug up, can it?
Especially at a site such as Cumorah, which supposedly had so many people there. If there were millions, I would think it hgihly improbable, if not impossible that everything had been unearthed.
If I chose to do so, I could cite many many more books just like the one I have cited. I happen to try and cite books I own. But, there are many more. But, I can understand why you would want to simply dismiss it out of hand without a thought because it doesn't fit what you think you know about the history of the Native Americans.
rcrocket
No, I dismiss it because of what I know about science and probability.
To have a mass extinction of over 2,000,000 people and have no evidence that they ever existed, even if given that possibillty that some farmers may have dug up some of what was left, is physically impossible.
There are no graves. There is no trash. There is no metal. There are no buildings. There are no latrines. There is no evidence of meals. There is nothing.
Societies left behind evidence that they existed.
There is none for the people mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
Did you read the Atlantic article I pointed to? The underlying book documents graves, trash, buildings, meals. I don't remember anything about metals, but the 1820 book I pointed to documented metals.
Do I have a book about the archeology of the area around the Hill Cumorah? I doubt such a book exists; the area had been plowed and farmed 150 years before Joseph Smith was born. The mound builders buried their dead in the flats. A point Mann makes quite well in his book.