Is church doctrine evolving?

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Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
harmony wrote:I think church doctrine is devolving, rather than evolving. It's getting to be less and less, almost as if the unique doctrines of the LDS church are disappearing. Adam-God? We don't teach that. Man progressing to Gods? We don't teach that. Eternal polygamy? We don't teach that. We don't teach much of anything that's unique anymore, except the stuff that doesn't matter in the eternities: what you ate, what you drank, how many earrings you had, what color your shirt was on Sunday... We spend an inordinant amount of time bustling around the inconsequentials, very little time on the basics, absolutely no time on anything beyond the basics, and altogether too much time worrying about money and numbers.

No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger. I think the church still believes in many of these ideas, but they do not "teach" them (ie, openly speak of them in church or public) because most people cannot grasp these concepts. The church has had to boil down to the lowest common denominator.
The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.


It's certainly larger than it was when Brigham was boldly declaring doctrine to the world. Ya gotta give those old guys credit; they didn't back down, just because what they thought was both bizarre and unacceptable to their neighbors.
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harmony wrote:
Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
harmony wrote:I think church doctrine is devolving, rather than evolving. It's getting to be less and less, almost as if the unique doctrines of the LDS church are disappearing. Adam-God? We don't teach that. Man progressing to Gods? We don't teach that. Eternal polygamy? We don't teach that. We don't teach much of anything that's unique anymore, except the stuff that doesn't matter in the eternities: what you ate, what you drank, how many earrings you had, what color your shirt was on Sunday... We spend an inordinant amount of time bustling around the inconsequentials, very little time on the basics, absolutely no time on anything beyond the basics, and altogether too much time worrying about money and numbers.

No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger. I think the church still believes in many of these ideas, but they do not "teach" them (ie, openly speak of them in church or public) because most people cannot grasp these concepts. The church has had to boil down to the lowest common denominator.
The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.


It's certainly larger than it was when Brigham was boldly declaring doctrine to the world. Ya gotta give those old guys credit; they didn't back down, just because what they thought was both bizarre and unacceptable to their neighbors.

Yet another good point.
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Post by _Mercury »

Nephi wrote:
Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
harmony wrote:I think church doctrine is devolving, rather than evolving. It's getting to be less and less, almost as if the unique doctrines of the LDS church are disappearing. Adam-God? We don't teach that. Man progressing to Gods? We don't teach that. Eternal polygamy? We don't teach that. We don't teach much of anything that's unique anymore, except the stuff that doesn't matter in the eternities: what you ate, what you drank, how many earrings you had, what color your shirt was on Sunday... We spend an inordinant amount of time bustling around the inconsequentials, very little time on the basics, absolutely no time on anything beyond the basics, and altogether too much time worrying about money and numbers.

No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger. I think the church still believes in many of these ideas, but they do not "teach" them (ie, openly speak of them in church or public) because most people cannot grasp these concepts. The church has had to boil down to the lowest common denominator.
The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.

I never stipulated that the membership of the church is growing (you assumed that). I am stipulating that the church is growing in the eye of the world community. More people know of the church and are searching for what the church believes, but many cannot understand such concepts, and the media with which they gain this information is notorious for spinning the information that is given.


Quoth the burnout:
"No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger"
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
_Nephi

Post by _Nephi »

Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
harmony wrote:I think church doctrine is devolving, rather than evolving. It's getting to be less and less, almost as if the unique doctrines of the LDS church are disappearing. Adam-God? We don't teach that. Man progressing to Gods? We don't teach that. Eternal polygamy? We don't teach that. We don't teach much of anything that's unique anymore, except the stuff that doesn't matter in the eternities: what you ate, what you drank, how many earrings you had, what color your shirt was on Sunday... We spend an inordinant amount of time bustling around the inconsequentials, very little time on the basics, absolutely no time on anything beyond the basics, and altogether too much time worrying about money and numbers.

No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger. I think the church still believes in many of these ideas, but they do not "teach" them (ie, openly speak of them in church or public) because most people cannot grasp these concepts. The church has had to boil down to the lowest common denominator.
The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.

I never stipulated that the membership of the church is growing (you assumed that). I am stipulating that the church is growing in the eye of the world community. More people know of the church and are searching for what the church believes, but many cannot understand such concepts, and the media with which they gain this information is notorious for spinning the information that is given.


Quoth the burnout:
"No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger"

Very good. This does not imply I am speaking of the church population. I am speaking of mass media and the world society in general.
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Post by _Lucretia MacEvil »

Nephi wrote:
harmony wrote:I think church doctrine is devolving, rather than evolving. It's getting to be less and less, almost as if the unique doctrines of the LDS church are disappearing. Adam-God? We don't teach that. Man progressing to Gods? We don't teach that. Eternal polygamy? We don't teach that. We don't teach much of anything that's unique anymore, except the stuff that doesn't matter in the eternities: what you ate, what you drank, how many earrings you had, what color your shirt was on Sunday... We spend an inordinant amount of time bustling around the inconsequentials, very little time on the basics, absolutely no time on anything beyond the basics, and altogether too much time worrying about money and numbers.

No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger. I think the church still believes in many of these ideas, but they do not "teach" them (ie, openly speak of them in church or public) because most people cannot grasp these concepts. The church has had to boil down to the lowest common denominator.


No offense to you, but you are very, very wrong here. Mormons aren't stupid and they are as able to grasp those concepts now as they were back then. What you're doing is buying into the Mormon myth that "the church is perfect but the members aren't." Any problem has to be ascribed to the failings of the members instead of to the real source of the problem, a church built on Joseph Smith' (and then BY, et al.'s) haphazard ideas. I'd put it this way: "the church is imperfect, the members are doing the best they can with what they have to work with."
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Post by _Lucretia MacEvil »

Nephi wrote:
Quoth the burnout:
"No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger"

Very good. This does not imply I am speaking of the church population. I am speaking of mass media and the world society in general.


Actually, the church is growing in numbers, as far as I know (although not exponentially, and as far as World:Mormon goes every day the World gets larger and the church gets smaller), but regardless, why the backpedaling? If you want to speak of mass media and world society, maybe you shouldn't use the word "church" to do so, because there is certainly no obvious connection.
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
Nephi wrote:
Mercury wrote:Quoth the burnout:
"No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger"

Very good. This does not imply I am speaking of the church population. I am speaking of mass media and the world society in general.


Actually, the church is growing in numbers, as far as I know (although not exponentially, and as far as World:Mormon goes every day the World gets larger and the church gets smaller), but regardless, why the backpedaling? If you want to speak of mass media and world society, maybe you shouldn't use the word "church" to do so, because there is certainly no obvious connection.


No backpedaling. In the eye of the world, the church is growing in presence. This is what I meant to begin with, and there is no backpedaling occuring.
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Post by _Jason Bourne »

Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
harmony wrote:I think church doctrine is devolving, rather than evolving. It's getting to be less and less, almost as if the unique doctrines of the LDS church are disappearing. Adam-God? We don't teach that. Man progressing to Gods? We don't teach that. Eternal polygamy? We don't teach that. We don't teach much of anything that's unique anymore, except the stuff that doesn't matter in the eternities: what you ate, what you drank, how many earrings you had, what color your shirt was on Sunday... We spend an inordinant amount of time bustling around the inconsequentials, very little time on the basics, absolutely no time on anything beyond the basics, and altogether too much time worrying about money and numbers.

No offense to the masses, but I think this is a biproduct of the church becoming larger and larger. I think the church still believes in many of these ideas, but they do not "teach" them (ie, openly speak of them in church or public) because most people cannot grasp these concepts. The church has had to boil down to the lowest common denominator.
The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.


The Church is still growing albeit at a slower rate then in the past. Only an idiot think otherwise. Thus you say and and thus we see.......
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Post by _Mercury »

Jason Bourne wrote:
Mercury wrote:The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.


The Church is still growing albeit at a slower rate then in the past. Only an idiot think otherwise. Thus you say and and thus we see.......


Convert retention does not counteract those leaving, dying, etc.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
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Post by _Jason Bourne »

Mercury wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Mercury wrote:The church is not growing. Spoken like a true sucker.


The Church is still growing albeit at a slower rate then in the past. Only an idiot think otherwise. Thus you say and and thus we see.......


Convert retention does not counteract those leaving, dying, etc.


Yes it does. You are simply wrong. I have numbers that prove it. You do not.
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