Juliann & Scott Gordon's "blacklds.org"

Post by **_CaliforniaKid** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:32 am

I think its Heber C. Kimball who is the utterer of the marrying wife = buying cow syllogism.

Don't you mean "udderer"?

Post by **_beastie** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:36 am

Gee, I was going to pop up and pretend to be an apologist and find a way to turn this around and make critics who keep bringing up the church's racist past the real racists - but reasoning is so convoluted and silly I can't even remember it.

Post by **_Mercury** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:58 am

Resisting urge...for a blackface...joke..

ARGGG!!!

Post by **_Blixa** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:17 am

Mercury wrote:Resisting urge...for a blackface...joke..

ARGGG!!!

Yeah, I know. Because for once it would be just so appropriate.

I'm trying hard not to reference a popular minstrel song with the title "The Mormon (offensive racist term for black person beginning with the letter "C"). I'm also trying hard not to post a picture of the caricature on the sheet music. And I'm trying even harder not to encourage people to Google for it.

Post by **_Polygamy Porter** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:28 am

Nothing speaks louder about how well the Mormon church treated African Americans, than a website published by lilly white Mormons.

Shooo weeeee!

Post by **_Runtu** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:54 am

Blixa wrote:
Yeah, I know. Because for once it would be just so appropriate.

I'm trying hard not to reference a popular minstrel song with the title "The Mormon (offensive racist term for black person beginning with the letter "C"). I'm also trying hard not to post a picture of the caricature on the sheet music. And I'm trying even harder not to encourage people to Google for it.

Once again, the interesting thing is that people feel the need to justify and rationalize such stuff.

Post by **_Blixa** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:15 pm

Runtu wrote:
Blixa wrote:
Yeah, I know. Because for once it would be just so appropriate.

I'm trying hard not to reference a popular minstrel song with the title "The Mormon (offensive racist term for black person beginning with the letter "C"). I'm also trying hard not to post a picture of the caricature on the sheet music. And I'm trying even harder not to encourage people to Google for it.

Once again, the interesting thing is that people feel the need to justify and rationalize such stuff.

I don't know that that's anything other than standard apologetic practice with any "problem." What made this website stand out to me is how poorly it was done. It was shockingly un-slick.

Post by **_Mister Scratch** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:16 pm

I thought I'd go ahead and top this old thread, as I noticed recently on the aptly named MADboard that "Scotty Dog" Gordon has announced an update to this unfortunate site. He (i.e., Gordon) claims that all they've revised in the News and Comments section (or at least that's all he mentioned in the MAD post), but it looks to me like they've revised the whole intro to the site:

blacklds.org wrote:There is a lot of folklore and misinformation about black members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Black Mormons not only have to deal with their own families and their own salvation, but they also have to deal with these myths that continue to be spread about blacks in the LDS church. Some of these myths include the idea that blacks are not welcome in the LDS church, or that the LDS church teaches that blacks are somehow less valiant than their white brothers and sisters.These myths are partly spread and maintained by some who belong to anti-cult ministries whose purpose is to tear down the beliefs of the LDS Church, and to prevent people from joining the LDS church. Ironically, while they shout racism, some of these anti-cult, or anti-Mormon ministries are all-white organizations.

Unfortunately, the myths are also passed on by well meaning but misguided members of the LDS Church. This means that black members have to not only deal with their own issues but spend time educating others as well and do this all within the context of a predominantly white culture.

Thankfully, many of our black brothers and sisters have been successful at this. This Web site is to educate and to support all members of the LDS Church as they deal with these issues.

This is interesting. It's worth pointing out that, in the first paragraph (which I'm guessing was penned by juliann), they are trying to lay the blame for racism in the Church on non-LDS "ministries." And, pardon me, but I fail to understand what it is that's "ironic" about the fact that these critics are pointing out historic Mormon racism... Why should it matter whether or not they're white?

Another element that seems to have been revised is this, from the "about us" section:

This site started as an idea shared by Scott Gordon, Renee Olson, and Juliann Reynolds. Of course many more contributed ideas and suggestions.

For those who are curious, Scott and Juliann are white, while Renee is black.

Huh. Very interesting.

Post by **_Mister Scratch** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:41 pm

beastie wrote:Gee, I was going to pop up and pretend to be an apologist and find a way to turn this around and make critics who keep bringing up the church's racist past the real racists - but reasoning is so convoluted and silly I can't even remember it.

Beastie, you must be clairvoyant. You made the above statement how long ago????

Post by **_Doctor Steuss** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:52 pm

Mister Scratch wrote:[...]
Another element that seems to have been revised is this, from the "about us" section:

This site started as an idea shared by Scott Gordon, Renee Olson, and Juliann Reynolds. Of course many more contributed ideas and suggestions.

For those who are curious, Scott and Juliann are white, while Renee is black.

Huh. Very interesting.

I know that my memory can't always be trusted, but from what I recall, this has been in the "about us" section (at least the last sentence) for a very long time (at least well over a year).