Oaks criticizes "soccer" and team sports

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Mercury wrote:
Belial wrote:
asbestosman wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:Outdoor physical activities are superior to the XBox, Shades!

People need physical exercise and fresh air. They don't get those sitting on their butts playing XBox. We have no game systems in my home and no computer games. I intend to keep it that way.


You should try the Nintendo Wii. Some of the games get me so worked up I have to take my jacket off because I'll overheat. Furthermore, it is quite a social activity. It seems at least as good as playing Monopoly with the family. Besides, it's been raining lately. Who wants to play outside in that?

Next summer though, I plan to go kayaking often with my bro since he moved here.


I almost bowled a perfect game in Wii Sports. Asmodeus pushed me over on the 10th frame to cost me the win.


If there are Wii's in hell then sign me up!


There's only one and unless you're in the Top 10 Rulers of Hell you can't play unless invited. This allows us to watch as people pathetically try to curry favor. Great fun.
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I think the leadership should understand that if they would set up a large server at each chapel with a STEAM account with about 30 simple e-machines and 20 inch monitors they would double the attendance of the youth. When I was a kid after we blessed the sacrament they would "invite" the aaronic priesthood to go sit with their families - if they bought the server and computers you would see all the aaronic walk out the doors and run.........but they would be at church which could be the objective. The church could invest in a new counter-strike game: instead of counter-terrorist against terrorist it could be lamanites against the nephites and all could have gernades, flash bombs, smoke bombs, glocks and ak47s.
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Belial wrote:
Mercury wrote:
Belial wrote:
asbestosman wrote:
KimberlyAnn wrote:Outdoor physical activities are superior to the XBox, Shades!

People need physical exercise and fresh air. They don't get those sitting on their butts playing XBox. We have no game systems in my home and no computer games. I intend to keep it that way.


You should try the Nintendo Wii. Some of the games get me so worked up I have to take my jacket off because I'll overheat. Furthermore, it is quite a social activity. It seems at least as good as playing Monopoly with the family. Besides, it's been raining lately. Who wants to play outside in that?

Next summer though, I plan to go kayaking often with my bro since he moved here.


I almost bowled a perfect game in Wii Sports. Asmodeus pushed me over on the 10th frame to cost me the win.


If there are Wii's in hell then sign me up!


There's only one and unless you're in the Top 10 Rulers of Hell you can't play unless invited. This allows us to watch as people pathetically try to curry favor. Great fun.


Reminds me of kissasses going after leadership positions on my mission.
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Zoidberg wrote:For the record, studies show that video games may contribute to bla bla bla..."




yeah, yeah.

It's the only medium where you can fantasize that you are actually an amazing athlete while sporting what I call a "nintendo gut".

I guess some my not recognize the problem here. These kids will die fat and young, desensitized to random acts of aggression/violence, bereft of interactive social skills, unable to qualify for even military service because 300,000 cyber situps don't really count.

You would not want these Halo orphans to end up on your local police force.

Anyway, Oaks ought attend his great, great, great, great, great grandson's scouting overnighter and discover what the real problems are (Odds are that the kid is most likely home bullseyeing womp rats).
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Mercury wrote:Reminds me of kissasses going after leadership positions on my mission.


This we also enjoy. It serves two vital purposes:

1. Making desperate losers into prats when they aim for the position. Since they are going to be disappointed at some point you can rip up their self-worth too.
2. Making people who don't care about it despise the entire system and become equal prats who spend their time mocking it.

The Missionaries in the middle who actually believe and want to work are then discouraged by the above groups of morons, crippling them to some degree.
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Inconceivable wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:For the record, studies show that video games may contribute to bla bla bla..."




yeah, yeah.

It's the only medium where you can fantasize that you are actually an amazing athlete while sporting what I call a "nintendo gut".

I guess some my not recognize the problem here. These kids will die fat and young, desensitized to random acts of aggression/violence, bereft of interactive social skills, unable to qualify for even military service because 300,000 cyber situps don't really count.

You would not want these Halo orphans to end up on your local police force.

Anyway, Oaks ought attend his great, great, great, great, great grandson's scouting overnighter and discover what the real problems are (Odds are that the kid is most likely home bullseyeing womp rats).


The real problems on campouts we have cultivated is the obsession with music. Our goal:

Camping Trips = Extended enjoyment of IPod outside.
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Inconceivable wrote:
Zoidberg wrote:For the record, studies show that video games may contribute to bla bla bla..."




yeah, yeah.

It's the only medium where you can fantasize that you are actually an amazing athlete while sporting what I call a "nintendo gut".

I guess some my not recognize the problem here. These kids will die fat and young, desensitized to random acts of aggression/violence, bereft of interactive social skills, unable to qualify for even military service because 300,000 cyber situps don't really count.

You would not want these Halo orphans to end up on your local police force.

Anyway, Oaks ought attend his great, great, great, great, great grandson's scouting overnighter and discover what the real problems are (Odds are that the kid is most likely home bullseyeing womp rats).


What you so arbitrarily replaced with bla bla bla was actually a collection of references to built-in exercise equipment, as well as research that has found benefits for social skills, spatial skills and dexterity (which can help imrove athletic ability). But you, in your infinite wisdom, are content to pile all video games together. Who here was arguing that being desensitized to violence is good? But please don't imagine that anyone is naïve enough to believe that lack of exposure to video games per se equals lack of exposure to violence; I'm sure there are plenty of kids in the Middle east right now who have never played any video games, and yet they are desensitized to violence.

The Bible and the Book of Mormon are literally full of violence and convenient justifications of rape, genocide and murder, in case you've forgotten.

That said, I'm very against violence and am aware of the research that indicates that media violence has negative effects, especially on young children. However, video games are not the only domain; lots of movies, cartoons and holy books are full of it, as well. I'm generally for reducing violent imagery and eradicating the "guys with guns are cool" mentality, but I don't see how video games per se pose a threat to our society.

If too much time is invested into a single activity, there are likely to be some negative effects. If someone is locked up reading the Scriptures all day, I don't imagine it will do them much good in the athletics department. That no one really does that because it's too boring is another question.

Just because DHO has never played Sims or Dance Dance Revolution (wouldn't that be an awesome sight to see?) doesn't mean that these activities are somehow less appropriate than playing some commercialized scripture game at FHE or going hunting with your dad (and you don't have to actually kill anything when you're playing video games). I would generally stick to moderation in all things, less violence in all things, and more video games that promote exercise or extra equipment that allows you to exercise while playing. If these requirements are met, playing video games can be very beneficial, IMHO.
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Dumb questions: why is playing a musical instrument better than playing a video game?
Why is it that reading a book is better than playing a role-playing game where you not only read, but actually interact with the story?
Why are board games better than video games? My bros and I are able to play Risk and Settlers of Catan together online. Does the computer magically make it bad for us?

I'm certainly in agreement if kids are getting fat they should spend less time indoors. And yet for all my gaming, I'm not even close to being overweight.
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asbestosman wrote:Dumb questions: why is playing a musical instrument better than playing a video game?
Why is it that reading a book is better than playing a role-playing game where you not only read, but actually interact with the story?
Why are board games better than video games? My bros and I are able to play Risk and Settlers of Catan together online. Does the computer magically make it bad for us?

I'm certainly in agreement if kids are getting fat they should spend less time indoors. And yet for all my gaming, I'm not even close to being overweight.


I think this negativity has to do with the general stereotyping of "geeks", which I find very sad. Contrary to the popular belief, being a LOTR fan or a gamer doesn't make anyone anti-social or dysfunctional. It's not even indicative of being anti-social or dysfunctional. And I think that this bigotry is preventing lots of people from familiarizing themselves with the awesome works of Tolkien or playing The World of Warcraft, for that matter.
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Zoidberg wrote:I think this negativity has to do with the general stereotyping of "geeks", which I find very sad. Contrary to the popular belief, being a LOTR fan or a gamer doesn't make anyone anti-social or dysfunctional. It's not even indicative of being anti-social or dysfunctional. And I think that this bigotry is preventing lots of people from familiarizing themselves with the awesome works of Tolkien or playing The World of Warcraft, for that matter.


It does not make one dysfunctional but there is a higher incidence of dysfunction in that group. There have even been rumblings within the culture that they are too nice. There's a general idea that if someone else has any pretense of being a geek all geeks must accept them. You should see some of the D&D sessions I've haunted...truly scary who will be accepted by healthy individuals.....

The geek and loser subcultures meld into something horrific.
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