Should the church teach non-donctrinal stuff?

[_Blixa]

Heh, I call my office "Little Siberia;" I share a suite with 3 Russian academics. It's awesome.

[_Trevor]

I think you can reduce all necessary LDS doctrine to one claim: the LDS Church is the only one with authority.

Everything else is negotiable.

[_Mister Scratch]

My wife says that flip-flops are banned in church. Where do you think she got this from? I have no idea, but these types of "rules" permeate Mormon culture.

And, so, blame the Church, when in doubt.

Let's see, I saw a sign in a Stake Center in Manti telling men to remove their hats. To hell with that! Let's make sure we blame the Church for that.

Or, as you point out, members say what they think and feel during Sunday School classes. To hell with them AND the Church!!! Free speech ought to be squelched, nothing should be said by these stupid members lest error spill out, and we ought to watch only video tapes which have cleared correlation and the political correctness police.

You're arrogant.

rcrocket

C'mon, Bob, that's not what SWSU was saying at all. Rather, s/he was pointing out the dangers that these "rules" have in LDS Culture on account of the institutionalized secrecy and internal power structure. That, and the fact that it is frequently difficult to parse out just what, exactly, is "doctrine" and what is merely "opinion."

[_LifeOnaPlate]

C'mon, Bob, that's not what SWSU was saying at all. Rather, s/he was pointing out the dangers that these "rules" have in LDS Culture on account of the institutionalized secrecy and internal power structure. That, and the fact that it is frequently difficult to parse out just what, exactly, is "doctrine" and what is merely "opinion."

Especially if people don't think for themselves, which would largely be their own fault.

[_Trevor]

Especially if people don't think for themselves, which would largely be their own fault.

Especially since no General Authority of the LDS Church, to which endowed members have sworn complete obedience and loyalty, ever said anything like, "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done."

Totally their fault. No question.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Especially if people don't think for themselves, which would largely be their own fault.

Especially since no General Authority of the LDS Church, to which endowed members have sworn complete obedience and loyalty, ever said anything like, "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done."

Totally their fault. No question.

I hear "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done" every week at Church. It's been in thousands and millions of LDS publications. No Church President has ever directly repudiated this statement, nor has such repudiation been published for the Church at large.

I have to agree, anyone who believes "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done" needs to re-evaluate and take accountability for their choices. I wonder how they decide when to use the bathroom, for Pete's sake!

[_Zoidberg]

Especially if people don't think for themselves, which would largely be their own fault.

Especially since no General Authority of the LDS Church, to which endowed members have sworn complete obedience and loyalty, ever said anything like, "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done."

Totally their fault. No question.

And, of course, "When the prophet speaks, the debate is over", which can be found at LDS.org, or "once the First Presidency has taken a postion, faithful members will align themselves with this position", which was uttered by none less than the current Prophet, is totally different from "the thinking has been done". Come on, don't you see it? "Debate" does not equal thinking. They can still think whatever they want, as long as they shut up about it and do what we say.

Didn't the mods say on MAD somewhere that it's a free thought zone, not a free speech zone? Looks like they've modeled this guideline ater the Church's policy.

[_Trevor]

I have to agree, anyone who believes "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done" needs to re-evaluate and take accountability for their choices. I wonder how they decide when to use the bathroom, for Pete's sake!

LOAP?!?!?! I am SHOCKED! Are you advocating that faithful LDS folk deviate from the safe course commanded by God's only true prophets?

[_Trevor]

And, of course, "When the prophet speaks, the debate is over", which can be found at LDS.org, or "once the First Presidency has taken a postion, faithful members will align themselves with this position", which was uttered by none less than the current Prophet, is totally different from "the thinking has been done". Come on, don't you see it? "Debate" does not equal thinking. They can still think whatever they want, as long as they shut up about it and do what we say.

Oh! Well... what a relief! Thanks for steering me back to reality, Zoid. I was beginning to enter into a state of paralysis when I realized that without President Hinckley's okeedokee, I couldn't even get up to take a piss! Damn good thing you corrected me! ;-)

Didn't the mods say on MAD somewhere that it's a free thought zone, not a free speech zone? Looks like they've modeled this guideline ater the Church's policy.

Yes, it is fun to sit around imagining all of those free thoughts occurring among the apologists at MA&D. How voluminous they must be! Here's what I imagine: "Gee, I am really hungry. Would Heavenly Father approve of me eating a hamburger? I think I better pray about that. After all, you know what section 89 of the D&C says...." Ahhhhh, sweet freedom of thought.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Especially if people don't think for themselves, which would largely be their own fault.

Especially since no General Authority of the LDS Church, to which endowed members have sworn complete obedience and loyalty, ever said anything like, "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done."

Totally their fault. No question.

I hear "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done" every week at Church. It's been in thousands and millions of LDS publications. No Church President has ever directly repudiated this statement, nor has such repudiation been published for the Church at large.

I have to agree, anyone who believes "once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done" needs to re-evaluate and take accountability for their choices. I wonder how they decide when to use the bathroom, for Pete's sake!

To be honest, I've never heard a TBM say "Once the prophet has spoken, the thinking has been done." But I can't count how many times I've heard, "I don't know what I think about (fill in the blank with any political issue, movie, current event, etc). I am waiting to hear what the prophet says about it." Typically they end up waiting until it is no longer a relevant issue anymore.