Why All The CFR?

[_Jason Bourne]

I think in some cases reference should be provided especially when claiming something out of the ordinary. I also agree with we tend to demand them more fro our opponent then our friend.

[_Doctor Steuss]

10% of the time I use “CFR” it is because I know something is BS (and I’m pretty dang sure they know it’s BS as well, and “CFR” is an easier tool [and more diplomatic] than saying “BS”).

The other 90% is because I want the actual reference because it intrigues me and I’d like to read more about it.

Posting in a “CFR” happy environment can be advantageous though. It tends to refine your posts. After a while, clarifiers are utilized abundantly, and statements are refined to the point to where you know a “CFR” can be answered with a tome.

[_Mister Scratch]

No, Ray. You've got the story all mixed up. I was asking, from the get-go, about whether or not Infymus had been "outed" by DCP on SHIELDS. There is a now-infamous (pun intended) exchange permanently archived over there, which was lifted from an email that DCP had received. You kept claiming that Infymus had always used his in real life name, and that DCP had never "outed" him. At this point, I used the "CFR," asking you to demonstrate where and when Infymus first began posting his in real life name. You couldn't do it, and, as you'll recall, you conceded that I was right. The reason I have to use the "CFR" with you is that you are all-too-often either intellectually dishonest, or just plain forgetful.

Reply from the "intellectually dishonest poster" (me):

No, Scratch, you were initially asking where Infymus posted his real name. Whether he was "outed" has nothing to do with this. That came later.

It eventually "came later" once I realized that you'd misunderstood the fact that I was asking about the "outing" from the get-go.

Admit your ignorance, Scratch. You didn't know that Infymus posted his real name.

I knew that he'd posted his name on THIS board. I still would like to know whether or not he sanctioned the use of his in real life name on SHIELDS.

What motivated that is irrevelant to the fact that you didn't know he posted his real name.

Another lame attempt on your part to score a point. I knew Ray. Sorry.

But to me real names are not that significant. Being honest about your stand is.

Well, here is further evidence of your flip-flopping / weasely behavior. You hounded me pretty relentlessly, Ray, trying to get me to cough up personal information. You were nearly as bad as rcrocket in that regard. Your dishonesty is quite striking.

[_John Larsen]

What I think is funny is that I (and others) get CFRed for things that are commonly understood by those with even a small knowledge of Mormon studies. I will oblige these requests because I assume they actually don’t know.

What gets me is there are many on the “pro” side who know better and never speak up when someone is using the CFR as a debate tactic. I would expect one of the senior people over there to pipe in and say “no, no, Joseph actually did say that” but they don’t. It demonstrates to me that there is not much concern for actually history over there. They should police their own better.

John

[_Ray A]

It eventually "came later" once I realized that you'd misunderstood the fact that I was asking about the "outing" from the get-go.

That's another lie, Scratch, and you know it.

I knew that he'd posted his name on THIS board. I still would like to know whether or not he sanctioned the use of his in real life name on SHIELDS.

Really? You're totally giving yourself away now. Everyone who read that thread should now see your dishonesty. You asked for "CFR" on this board, and IF you knew he posted his real name here, you were using CFR as a taunt. When Shades told you he posted here, you didn't reply "I know". Clearly, you were ignorant of the fact that he posted his real name here, and now you're lying about it.

Well, here is further evidence of your flip-flopping / weasely behavior. You hounded me pretty relentlessly, Ray, trying to get me to cough up personal information. You were nearly as bad as rcrocket in that regard. Your dishonesty is quite striking.

I told you several times that a real name is preferable, and honourable, for Chief Accusers like you. That was never forthcoming, so the next best thing was to know more about your beliefs, and your background. Frankly, I don't want to know any more about you, because I now know the most important thing - you're a liar.

[_Mister Scratch]

It eventually "came later" once I realized that you'd misunderstood the fact that I was asking about the "outing" from the get-go.

That's another lie, Scratch, and you know it.

You keep sinking yourself ever deeper, mate. Here is the post in question, from the "DCP Admits to 'LDS Academic Embarrassment'" thread:

What does this even mean? You "know" who he [i.e., Infymus] is? From what? His internet postings, right? That's how *I* know him. Likewise, that's how you know me.

This is almost getting to be fun, for me. Finding Infymus' real name is as easy as shooting Moonfish.

Ray---I know. This is obvious. My question is not about whether or not we can locate his name now. Rather, how did it come to light in the first place? You know what I mean? How did people learn his in real life name to begin with? Did he announce it, or was it leaked?

I also know Merc's real name, but I'm not going to reveal that either, unless HE choses to. Yeah, verily, all from the Internet. You are just clueless, for a "researcher".

Okay: did he tell you privately, or did he announce it publicly? *THAT* is what I'm getting at, mate. Did Infymus announce his in real life name publicly, or did DCP "leak" it?

(emphasis added)

It's pretty clear what I was getting at, Ray. I had to "CFR" you for the exact reason I've elucidated right here on this thread: you are either too dishonest or too stupid to follow along.

I knew that he'd posted his name on THIS board. I still would like to know whether or not he sanctioned the use of his in real life name on SHIELDS.

Really? You're totally giving yourself away now. Everyone who read that thread should now see your dishonesty.

They are welcome to go read it. They can check out Beastie's post in which it's quite clear that *she* can follow what I'm saying. Why can't you? Too boneheaded? Or too blind with rage? Hmmm.....

You asked for "CFR" on this board,

No, I didn't, Ray. If you can find proof that I did, then I will eat crow. Otherwise, I reckon that you owe me an apology.

[_Mister Scratch]

Later in the thread, you all but conceded that you'd misunderstood:

I have wondered whether they "outed" him or not. Ray is convinced that Infymus "outed" himself, but, of course, Ray hasn't offered up any real evidence.

I'd have to look into this, Infymus' name is on his website also, but I don't know how long he's been using his real name there. Maybe he would like to clarify.

(emphasis added)

In my next post, I complimented you for having the gumption to at last concede your hard-headed idiocy. Frankly, all I can do is shrug about all of this, since I have watched Kevin Graham go through the same frustrating motions with you.

[_Scottie]

No, I didn't, Ray. If you can find proof that I did, then I will eat crow. Otherwise, I reckon that you owe me an apology.

In other words, CFR!!!

[_Mister Scratch]

No, I didn't, Ray. If you can find proof that I did, then I will eat crow. Otherwise, I reckon that you owe me an apology.

In other words, CFR!!!

Lol... Yes, precisely. (And may I just note that Ray never did provide any evidence that Infymus posted his in real life name here on MDB. Basically, Ray has devolved into a kind of ineffectual and vacuous blow-hole.)

[_Ray A]

No, I didn't, Ray. If you can find proof that I did, then I will eat crow. Otherwise, I reckon that you owe me an apology.

Well, here are more exchanges:

Me:

However, Scratch, let me add a qualifier to my post above. We all know who "Infymus" is, we know his real name. We know his background, his experiences, and his feelings about Mormonism.

Scratch:

How do you know his name? Did he announce it somewhere? Or was it leaked by Stan Barker & et. al.?

What in hell does Stan Barker have to do with MDB? Scratch has no clue I'm referring this this board!

After being informed, Scratch wrote:

Edited to add: No---I mean in the first instance. Of course he posts it now. But did he just come out and say it back then? Or was he "outed" by DCP? (My emphasis)

After Scratch's "CFR", here is what Shades wrote:

Mister Scratch: You asked a straightforward question, so you deserve a straightforward answer:

For a time, Infymus would "sign off" his posts with his real name, similar to the way Wade Englund does.

I guess Shades was as "duped" as I was, but still offered him the answer HE (Scratch) sought!

Scratch's reply:

Ah, I see. Thank you, Shades. The other part of my question is this: Was Infymus doing this "sign-off" thing back during the time when DCP and the SHIELDS crew would have excerpted that email of his?

And Scatch knew that Infymus posted here under his real name? Which pig do you believe flies? 99% percent fat, or 80% fat?