Jesus Vs Joseph Cage match Smackdown

[_charity]

It is the pattern. If the 12 Apostles judge the Children of Israel, then it makes sense that Joseph Smith (the Peter the Apostle of this dispensation) would stand to judge this genreation.

In your mind, then, who judges people who lived between the time of Peter and Joseph Smith?

That's a good question. Each dispensation has ended in apostacy, until this one which is prophecied not to end in apostacy unlike the others. So I do wonder who would be judging the people who were alive before Noah opened his dispensation, the ones after that before Moses, etc. Good question, road to hana.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Funny......Jesus is not a puppet I don't interact with. I interact with him on a daily basis. I have never directly interacted with Joseph.

You used a double negative. I interact with Santa on a daily basis. I interact with food. MMMM... I LIKE FOOOOD.

When I was in seminary we went through the Book of Mormon and we were shown that in almost every verse the lord Jesus is mentioned. Maybe in America it is different but I know that here people don't really talk about Joe much. When bearing testimonies most people talk about Christ and you get the odd child running off a list of crap they don't really believe and so you get the odd "....and I know the prophet is the true prophet...." Maybe people are slightly different here.

[_the road to hana]

Each dispensation has ended in apostacy, until this one which is prophecied not to end in apostacy unlike the others.

Could you point me toward the specific prophecy that states that "this dispensation" will not "end in apostacy" (sic)? It seems to me there exists plenty of "apostasy" in the church Joseph Smith organized. How does that differ?

[_Imwashingmypirate]

I was reading a book on the Smoot hearings. The Congressman did accuse the church of worshipping Joseph Smith then. It's something that critics charge all the time. If you go to sunday school and the whole lesson is on Joseph Smith and not Jesus Christ then some may say Joseph is the the one worshipped at that meeting..........

Actually this year at Sunday School we have been studying the New Testament and so we actually haven't discussed Joseph Smith at all in ages. We are just going through the Bible. And I don't know about Relief Society because I am relatively new to Relief Society we are studying one of the prophets though. But not Joseph Smith I think it was Spenser Kimball or something like that.

[_karl61]

I was reading a book on the Smoot hearings. The Congressman did accuse the church of worshipping Joseph Smith then. It's something that critics charge all the time. If you go to sunday school and the whole lesson is on Joseph Smith and not Jesus Christ then some may say Joseph is the the one worshipped at that meeting..........

Actually this year at Sunday School we have been studying the New Testament and so we actually haven't discussed Joseph Smith at all in ages. We are just going through the Bible. And I don't know about Relief Society because I am relatively new to Relief Society we are studying one of the prophets though. But not Joseph Smith I think it was Spenser Kimball or something like that.

I wonder why? the LDS church is reactive not proactive - except in missionary work and deception.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

So then what is your problem?

[_charity]

Each dispensation has ended in apostacy, until this one which is prophecied not to end in apostacy unlike the others.

Could you point me toward the specific prophecy that states that "this dispensation" will not "end in apostacy" (sic)? It seems to me there exists plenty of "apostasy" in the church Joseph Smith organized. How does that differ?

Ephesians 1 and Doctrine and Covenants 13.

What "apostasy" do you think exists?

[_the road to hana]

Each dispensation has ended in apostacy, until this one which is prophecied not to end in apostacy unlike the others.

Could you point me toward the specific prophecy that states that "this dispensation" will not "end in apostacy" (sic)? It seems to me there exists plenty of "apostasy" in the church Joseph Smith organized. How does that differ?

Ephesians 1 and Doctrine and Covenants 13.

And who wrote D&C Section 13?

What is it you see specifially in Ephesians 1 that advanced the notion that there would be a complete and total apostasy in previous dispensations that would not take place later?

[_the road to hana]

What "apostasy" do you think exists?

Certainly there are many who would argue that anything Joseph Smith "organized" was founded in apostasy, but assuming for the sake of this argument that that is not the case, I would suggest the following could be considered by some to be indicative of apostasy:

*succession crisis following the death of the founder

*numerous splinter groups (over 200 at last count)

*disputes over doctrine

*changing doctrine and practice

*substantial individual "apostasy"

*more than one person considered currently to be the correct "heir" of Joseph Smith, and numerous sets of "apostles"

*diversity in the scriptural canon from one sect to another

[_krose]

At least Joseph's birthday is actually near the 25th of December. He's got that going for him.