Women praying in church

The catch-all forum for general topics and debates. Minimal moderation. Rated PG to PG-13.
_beastie
_Emeritus
Posts: 14216
Joined: Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:26 am

Post by _beastie »

You and your boyfriend sit around watching the BYU channel? Oh my God. I think I would rather watch paint dry.


Oh, he has this hobby of turning it on for five minutes or so at a time to find mockable material. (but see, since he doesn't post on internet boards or talk openly about his disdain for Mormonism, he's a good, SILENT exmormon instead of an rabid anti-mormon like me). I do have to admit that every now and then something so remarkable comes on that even I will watch it for ten minutes and laugh my butt off. Have you ever seen their opera "Abinadi"??? OMG!!! Oh, and one time they had this play about Joseph and Emma which was hilarious because it was portrayed as this great, MONOGAMOUS romance!!! So every now and then you hit gold, but most of the time it's just incredibly boring and we change it quickly.

What can I say? We're old fifty year old fogies who entertain ourselves in eye-rolling ways.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

Penn & Teller

http://www.mormonmesoamerica.com
_Imwashingmypirate
_Emeritus
Posts: 2290
Joined: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:45 pm

Post by _Imwashingmypirate »

That's cause Paul in the New Testament was a nugget that didn't like Jesus' polygamous wives.
Just punched myself on the face...
_Rollo Tomasi
_Emeritus
Posts: 4085
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:27 pm

Re: Women praying in church

Post by _Rollo Tomasi »

beastie wrote:When I was a member, women were not allowed to say the opening prayer in Sacrament meeting. Is that still true?

The official prohibition was in effect from July 1967 until September 29, 1978. I remember a guy in my ward who, after the prohibition was lifted, would leave sacrament meeting whenever a woman stood up to offer a prayer.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."

-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
_Infymus
_Emeritus
Posts: 1584
Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:10 pm

Post by _Infymus »

This is some interesting reading on the matter from Sourcerer (a.k.a. Steve Benson)

Shannon Weber, in her recent and powerful article, "A Woman's Unanswered Questions" (excerpted below), addresses the lack of equality and respect for women that continues to shackle and suffocate females in the Patriarchally-Gripped LDS Church:

"A few months ago I committed to fully explore my angst with women's role in the Mormon Church. I was nudged forward in this quest by simple but unanswerable comments from my children. My six-year-old daughter complained, 'It is better to be a boy!' When asked why she explains 'Only boys can be "the President, the prophet or pass the sacrament.' I know the Church-sanctioned responses but I am unable to pass the vague one-liners and untruths to my kids. I replied, 'One day a woman will be president and you will come with me to vote for her. Women were prophets and I'm not sure why we've stopped talking about and looking for them.'

"I was stumped in responding to her observation of the sacrament. No plausible explanation came to my mind. Another day my five-year-old son proudly tells me 'It is better to be a boy because you can pee standing up and when you get bigger you get the priesthood.'

"I'm aghast to consider the priesthood (governing in the Church and home, access to inspiration, the powers to act in God's name) as such an entitlement. Clearly the rift between what I know and what my children have learned is larger than I had realized.

"Changes for Women in My Lifetime

"I have been waiting with faith and hope my entire adult life for change. . . . However, an analysis of the changes for women in my lifetime shocked me. The results:

"--1) Women allowed to pray in sacrament meeting (1978)

"--2) Married women allowed to go to the temple without their husbands (1978)

"--3) The temple ceremony changed from women 'obeying' their husbands to women 'following' the counsel of their husbands (1990)

"--4) The Proclamation on the Family (1995)

"--5) Standards for women's grooming (2001)

"Much of this change is not progressive and the sights not on equality. . . . Equality does not mean 'sameness' or putting male expectations on females.

"Equality is the expectation and the support for women to be whom they are, who God made them to be. Christ aptly modeled equality in his teachings, parables and interactions with women while gently going against the cultural norm with Godly behavior toward all humans.

To read more, continue the article here: http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_womeninmormonism.html#pub_2092255492
_Yoda

Post by _Yoda »

Infymus wrote:To read more, continue the article here: http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topic_wome ... 2092255492


This is an excellent link, Infymus!

:)

Not only is the article you mentioned very informative, but there are also some interesting articles by Harmony and KA!

Good job, ladies!

:)
_Maxrep
_Emeritus
Posts: 677
Joined: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:29 am

Post by _Maxrep »

"Equality is the expectation and the support for women to be whom they are, who God made them to be"

Isn't it wonderful that we have priesthood leaders, who pee standing up, that can inform us of a womens role as well as Gods specific purpose in creating this gender.
I don't expect to see same-sex marriage in Utah within my lifetime. - Scott Lloyd, Oct 23 2013
Post Reply