Weird (stupid) Sealing Policies

[_Moniker]

A woman must get a sealing cancellation to be sealed to any other man if she is alive. If deceased she can be sealed to all husbands.

The female gets multiple husbands in heaven????

Wait! I'm confused! I don't understand! If she's dead how does she get sealed to anyone? Don't you have to first be unsealed to your first husband before you're sealed to your second? Then wouldn't she only be sealed to the second one? And what about the poor fella that was her first husband? Does he not have any wives at all in heaven? Or does he get other men's wives that just didn't measure up? And if that's the case then why are they sealed at all if they're not necessarily going to be together and there's going to be a big wife swap in the afterlife?

[_charity]

The only people it will ever impact are fully active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Why do you even bother?

Tidejwe is fully active.

Yes, I can count on one hand the number of times I've missed church in my ENTIRE LIFE (and most of those were because I was so deathly ill I really wished I would die). I'm pretty active, hold a temple recommend, served a mission, married in the temple, etc etc. That doesn't mean I'm completely blind and ignorant to the problems in the church or that I believe it to be infallible. And just because I admit the church is fallible doesn't mean I believe it has no spiritual significance or that it's all bunk either. It doesn't mean I'm just in it for "Cultural" reasons as people infer a "New Order Mormon" to mean. I'm just more realistic about things in my opinion. The church is a man-run organization in which God rarely intervenes in my opinion. I really like the ORIGINAL talk given by Elder Poleman, that expresses a lot of my feelings about the difference between the Gospel and the church. According to the D&C the church was created/built up because of our "Dead works"...man in general can't seem to do well without it. It serves a very needed purpose in many senses. I see nothing wrong with discussing the inconsistencies found in our practices and traditions. It's not like I can bring them up in Sunday school where I'd get strung up and lynched...

I accept that you are fully active.

The questions can't come up in Sunday School class until sealing is the topic of the lesson. And you can find much better answers for such questions on the MA&D board because they actually know the answers. While there are a few of us active members here, the majority are only here to mock and ridicule the Church. I wouldn't ask that bunch a single question.

[_Scottie]

Most members have the stunning rationale of "We just don't understand it, and it will all work out in the end."

I dunno...maybe it's just me, but something as incredibly important as sealing ordinances might want to be explained a bit more to the leaders, no?? There are SO many loopholes and ways to separate families.

In my mind, sealings are nothing more than another way to control by fear. If you're not a good Mormon (translated, you have to be a member, obey the WoW and go to church), then you are in jeopardy of losing your entire family in the afterlife. This is a POWERFUL motivator. I remember when I left, that was the #1 thing that kept coming up. That I was destroying my family in the afterlife.

I've also wondered why these ordinances are so explicitly tied to the organization? If I were to request my name be removed from the records, but I still led a temple worthy life, why should my sealing be dissolved in heaven?

[_BishopRic]

And you can find much better answers for such questions on the MA&D board because they actually know the answers.

LOL! No, they can give the standard answers and not get sanctioned. Charity, your (not so subtle) arrogance never ceases to amaze me. You should know that when an answer is given there that is contradictory to the "acceptable" answers, the person is sanctioned and/or banned. So to you, that means that the allowed answers are the correct ones?

Whatever.

[_Jason Bourne]

The female gets multiple husbands in heaven????

Not sure. Probably not. Just that when they are all dead she gets sealed to all of them then she gets to take her pick maybe?

Wait! I'm confused! I don't understand! If she's dead how does she get sealed to anyone?

These can be performed in an LDS temple by proxy like baptism for the dead. I could stand in for the husband for someone and another woman for the wife.

Don't you have to first be unsealed to your first husband before you're sealed to your second?

If living yes, if dead no.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Jason,

Just looked again. A woman must get a sealing cancellation to be sealed to any other man if she is alive. If deceased she can be sealed to all husbands.

I know this is the policy but a woman on FAIR who shall not be named, (but her name starts with J), claimed to "know" that a woman can be sealed to two men... supposedly it is an exception to the rule allowed by the FP under certain circumstances.

Of course the assumption is that in heaven she will have only one husband.

I think a possible scenario goes something like this... a woman is sealed to a man who leaves the church. They divorce. The woman remarries a man who is not a member. After he dies his work is done for him and the couple is vicariously sealed, she to the second husband even though the first husband is still alive and the first sealing not cancelled.


~dancer~

[_Yoda]

I accept that you are fully active.

The questions can't come up in Sunday School class until sealing is the topic of the lesson. And you can find much better answers for such questions on the MA&D board because they actually know the answers. While there are a few of us active members here, the majority are only here to mock and ridicule the Church. I wouldn't ask that bunch a single question.

Sorry, Charity, but I take issue with this. The majority of posters here are not here to mock and ridicule the Church. There are a handful of posters here who blatantly do that, but it is certainly not a majority.

And, since you are a member of both the MAD board, and this one, why don't you enlighten Tide with your two cents? Or are you pulling the whole "throw pearls before swine" adage as a dodge?

If you really want to help him get answers as you say you do, then answer his questions! That would be the "charitable" thing to do.

And, frankly, you know a well as I do that if he posted this question on the MAD board, he would be accused of being a troll and treated very nastily.

[_charity]

Sorry, Charity, but I take issue with this. The majority of posters here are not here to mock and ridicule the Church. There are a handful of posters here who blatantly do that, but it is certainly not a majority.

I didn't take a count. There are some nice non-LDS posters here. Maybe I just come up against the ones who are really rude, ugly, mean, ridiculing, etc. I will try to notice "nice" more and "rude, ugly, etc." less

And, since you are a member of both the MAD board, and this one, why don't you enlighten Tide with your two cents? Or are you pulling the whole "throw pearls before swine" adage as a dodge?

If you really want to help him get answers as you say you do, then answer his questions! That would be the "charitable" thing to do.

I will make an attempt after I have lunch with some friends.

And, frankly, you know a well as I do that if he posted this question on the MAD board, he would be accused of being a troll and treated very nastily.

Probably. And with good reason. An active member of the Church would not usually use the word "stupid" to refer to a sacred ordinance.

This is usually a dead give away for a troll. People who use insulting and inflammatory language have their minds made up, aren't looking for answers, and just want to throw bombs.

I hope tidejwe, as a fully active member, will not mock sacred things.

[_guy sajer]

The only people it will ever impact are fully active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Why do you even bother?

Tidejwe is fully active.

Yes, I can count on one hand the number of times I've missed church in my ENTIRE LIFE (and most of those were because I was so deathly ill I really wished I would die). I'm pretty active, hold a temple recommend, served a mission, married in the temple, etc etc. That doesn't mean I'm completely blind and ignorant to the problems in the church or that I believe it to be infallible. And just because I admit the church is fallible doesn't mean I believe it has no spiritual significance or that it's all bunk either. It doesn't mean I'm just in it for "Cultural" reasons as people infer a "New Order Mormon" to mean. I'm just more realistic about things in my opinion. The church is a man-run organization in which God rarely intervenes in my opinion. I really like the ORIGINAL talk given by Elder Poleman, that expresses a lot of my feelings about the difference between the Gospel and the church. According to the D&C the church was created/built up because of our "Dead works"...man in general can't seem to do well without it. It serves a very needed purpose in many senses. I see nothing wrong with discussing the inconsistencies found in our practices and traditions. It's not like I can bring them up in Sunday school where I'd get strung up and lynched...

I accept that you are fully active.

The questions can't come up in Sunday School class until sealing is the topic of the lesson. And you can find much better answers for such questions on the MA&D board because they actually know the answers. While there are a few of us active members here, the majority are only here to mock and ridicule the Church. I wouldn't ask that bunch a single question.

And the reason people on the MA&D board actually know the answers, while the people here actually don't know the answers is . . . what?

Most of the people here have spent a lifetime, close to a lifetime, or decades as active members of the Mormon Church.

There's absolutely no reason I can think of to assume, ex ante, that they know the Church, its doctrines, its cultural attributes, etc. any less on average than the apologists on the MA&D board.

What constitutes mocking? Is it, for example, mocking to call an idiotic doctrine "idiotic" or to call an adulterous liar an "adulterous liar?"

[_Sethbag]

Anti-Mormons, non-Mormons, ex-Mormons, cultural Mormons, inactive Mormons: Listen up. This is not an issue for you. The only people it will ever impact are fully active members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Why do you even bother?

We bother because it's a good example of the retardation of the belief system. It's stupid, Charity, and you believe it with all your heart, don't you? You kind of have to, really, because Prophets, Seers, and Revelators handed it down to you.

But from my point of view it's all just a mind game for those who choose to play it, and utterly irrelevant in any real sense. Nobody's going to be anybody's child in eternity. We'll die, return to the dust from whence we came, and after two or three generations will be all but forgotten by the living. Even the most famous (infamous) of us won't live on in the memories of those who survive of our species past maybe a thousand years or two. Given the state of the world today, I rather doubt a human being will be around to remember any of us within a hundred years.