FAIR video and Horses in the Book of Mormon

[_harmony]

I do have to say it's obnoxious the way apologists constantly accuse archaeologists of sheer incompetence.

I wondered if it was just me that picked up on that. The condescencion was so thick, I'm surprised it didn't color the picture.

When were these made?

[_krose]

This is the funniest part of mopologits.

This has got to be one of the funniest typos I've seen. (Or was the 'git' intentional? If so, it's still funny.)

When were these made?

I think someone on the mad site said two years ago.

[_why me]

Hey Walmart...


What kind of audience are they meant for?

Those who want to believe there are no problems in the Book of Mormon?

Those who do not have access to the internet?

Those who trust apologists regardless of their trustworthiness?

~dancer~

There are many members who come across the lighthouse ministry video, the godmakers or the Bible vs the Book of Mormon. They are full of antimormon rhetoric. What the FAIR video attempts to do is to inform people that the issues discussed in the lighthouse videos are not so clear cut as they make them out to be. Also, the FAIR videos also shed light on the Bible, that the Bible is not based on solid evidence but also on faith as is the Book of Mormon.

The audience was a general audience, people who may or may not come across the lighthouse videos. It is certainly not for the scientific community. The format was simple. Each video was short for the topic at hand and the speaking style was normal with its use of less than high brow words.

You see truthdancer, you will need to apply the same criticism to antimormon videos also, ie, the lighthouse ministry videos. Something that I have not seen from critics such as yourself but perhaps I have overlooked your criticism of lighthouse videos.

[_why me]

I have stated before many times on other forums: the same rules if applied to the Bible as they are applied to the Book of Mormon would show that the Bible is also unprovable.


Agreed! And it is!

But not on the lighthouse ministry videos. And that is the point of the FAIR videos. The lighthouse ministry neglected to inform its viewers that evidence can be quite lacking for the truthfulness of the Bible as it is for the Book of Mormon. Hence, as FAIR stressed: it is all a matter of faith.

[_CaliforniaKid]

I haven't watched any of this video, nor have I read the MADB threads on it. But has this video specifically been pitched as a response to those other anti-Mormon videos? Because if not, I'd say you're engaging in a little bit of fallacious tu quoque reasoning. And even if it was so pitched, the very best FARMS could claim is that it was making an ironic joke by producing a video with equally poor references and one-sided perspectivism, no?

[_why me]

I haven't watched any of this video, nor have I read the MADB threads on it. But has this video specifically been pitched as a response to those other anti-Mormon videos? Because if not, I'd say you're engaging in a little bit of fallacious tu quoque reasoning. And even if it was so pitched, the very best FARMS could claim is that it was making an ironic joke by producing a video with equally poor references and one-sided perspectivism, no?

Yes, I do believe that it was pitched as a result of the lighthouse ministry videos. Unfortunately the critics here tend to give lighthouse a free ride and yet, punish FAIR. Double standard? Probably so.

I think that FAIR did give a balanced interpretation in their videos. They basically said that the Book of Mormon cannot be proven by evidence but they also claimed that the same is true for the Bible. They touched on some aspects of the controversy in the Book of Mormon, mentioning Spaulding as possible author but improbable author and Joseph Smith as possible author but unlikely author and seemed to give a balanced view with the understanding that speculation is present by Mormons too.

[Tator]

There are many members who come across the lighthouse ministry video, the godmakers or the Bible vs the Book of Mormon. They are full of antimormon rhetoric. What the FAIR video attempts to do is to inform people that the issues discussed in the lighthouse videos are not so clear cut as they make them out to be. Also, the FAIR videos also shed light on the Bible, that the Bible is not based on solid evidence but also on faith as is the Book of Mormon.

In reference to the horse problem it's only not "so clear cut" when you trust individuals who are feeding you misinformation in order to make you think it's not so clear cut.

You know, misinformation like using the Wisconsin skull and other equally problematic sources to try and create an illusion of "things not being so clear cut".

The fact that horses did not exist in the New World during the specified Book of Mormon time period is, in fact, very clear cut.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Walmart...

First, I saw nothing that mentioned anything about the Lighthouse Ministry... not a word.

There are many members who come across the lighthouse ministry video, the godmakers or the Bible vs the Book of Mormon. They are full of antimormon rhetoric. What the FAIR video attempts to do is to inform people that the issues discussed in the lighthouse videos are not so clear cut as they make them out to be. Also, the FAIR videos also shed light on the Bible, that the Bible is not based on solid evidence but also on faith as is the Book of Mormon.

I have no issue with folks presenting factual information... the FAIR video clip was misleading to say the least. These apologists, I feel quite certain, know they are presenting material that is twisting or manipulating the truth. To use outdated, inaccurate, obsolete material as a source while pretending it is accepted by scholars is not responsible, (to say the least).

You see truthdancer, you will need to apply the same criticism to antimormon videos also, ie, the lighthouse ministry videos. Something that I have not seen from critics such as yourself but perhaps I have overlooked your criticism of lighthouse videos.

If I saw a lighthouse ministry video (I have never seen one), that was misleading with scholars purposely distorting truth I would be equally disturbed.

I have shared my beliefs on the Bible over the years but basically, I think it is written by various men over the ages. It is a document filled with myth, stories, ideas, laws, beliefs, etc. etc. etc., all from the perspective of the writers.

To be honest the argument that, because the Bible is believed even though it is filled with untruths, myths, inaccuracies, and contradictions, the Book of Mormon should be too, is rather odd in my opinion.

:-)

~dancer~

[_richardMdBorn]

I have stated before many times on other forums: the same rules if applied to the Bible as they are applied to the Book of Mormon would show that the Bible is also unprovable.


Agreed! And it is!

But not on the lighthouse ministry videos. And that is the point of the FAIR videos. The lighthouse ministry neglected to inform its viewers that evidence can be quite lacking for the truthfulness of the Bible as it is for the Book of Mormon. Hence, as FAIR stressed: it is all a matter of faith.

If that's the case, then why does FARMS waste time arguing that there's evidence for the Book of Mormon?

[_Blixa]

Why didn’t farms mention the big penis outside?

Does it look like this one?