Charity, I'm not sure anyone has said they feel it during a "rock concert".
Many have said they have felt it while listening to uplifting music. Or the national anthem. But rock music??
Another reason to ask about the Closed Books...
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charity wrote:the road to hana wrote:charity wrote:If you peruse the anti-Mormon message boards, you will find this a consistent complaint. They only feel emotional highs, like rock concerts, not associated with religion. They then say that this is all that people are reallly experiencing instead of spiritual events.
I think your sample might be skewed. Which "anti-Mormon message boards" are you perusing?
Once in a while I check in on RfM, but not often. The whiners are really off putting. Concerned Chrsitians likewise. I don't spend much time on anti boards, but my admittedly non-random sample shows up a lot of compaliners. Oh, yes, and quite a few of the ex or non-mo's from the MA&D complain about this, too.
Isn't that a little like going on Republican message boards looking for a Democrat?
"Most people do not report strong religious experiences" is not the same thing as "most people on exmormon.org do not report strong religious experiences."
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the road to hana wrote:
I think your sample might be skewed. Which "anti-Mormon message boards" are you perusing?
Once in a while I check in on RfM, but not often. The whiners are really off putting. Concerned Chrsitians likewise. I don't spend much time on anti boards, but my admittedly non-random sample shows up a lot of compaliners. Oh, yes, and quite a few of the ex or non-mo's from the MA&D complain about this, too.[/quote]
Isn't that a little like going on Republican message boards looking for a Democrat?
"Most people do not report strong religious experiences" is not the same thing as "most people on exmormon.org do not report strong religious experiences."[/quote]
Road to hana, did you notice in your post, you specifically asked WHICH anti-Mormon message boards I was persuing? I answered your question.
I have also given plenty of reasons why your statement that MOST people on the planet have religious experiences the same as LDS. 20% report they are not religious at all. Half of those left don't even go to church all that often. Your MOST is a small number.
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charity wrote:I have also given plenty of reasons why your statement that MOST people on the planet have religious experiences the same as LDS. 20% report they are not religious at all. Half of those left don't even go to church all that often. Your MOST is a small number.
Actually, I made that statement.
And you haven't given any reasons.
Just because a (nameless) poll says that 20% of people aren't religious, does not, by any stretch of the imagination, mean that they cannot and do not have spiritual experiences (which you are calling religious experiences).
Religion -specifically the one started by Joseph Smith Jr.- is not unique in relying on or attempting to facilitate spiritual experiences.
And are you saying people can only experience spiritual experiences in a church building? Or if they go to church that often. ?
I thought the reference to Islam, which is allegedly the fastest growing religion on the planet, was quite appropriate. These people aren't having a spiritual confirmation of the truth of their prophet?
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The Nehor wrote:harmony wrote:The Nehor wrote:As a full tithe payer yourself you should probably bring up your concerns to the Bishop or better yet, share them during Fast & Testimony Meeting.
What makes you think I haven't?
Both of them?
Even for the most conservative of wards, they would have a hard time bringing her up on Court of Love charges for showing too much compassion for the poor and downtrodden. I assume that Sister Harmony would be safe in advocating such a cause on both levels. Still, it is interesting to think that such advocacy is rabble rousing in any but the most oppressive situations.
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moksha wrote:The Nehor wrote:harmony wrote:The Nehor wrote:As a full tithe payer yourself you should probably bring up your concerns to the Bishop or better yet, share them during Fast & Testimony Meeting.
What makes you think I haven't?
Both of them?
Even for the most conservative of wards, they would have a hard time bringing her up on Court of Love charges for showing too much compassion for the poor and downtrodden. I assume that Sister Harmony would be safe in advocating such a cause on both levels. Still, it is interesting to think that such advocacy is rabble rousing in any but the most oppressive situations.
I didn't expect disciplinary action even if she did.
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charity wrote:...GoodK wrote:...GoodK wrote:...
You can think what you want, but it won't be accurate....Dr. Shades wrote:...
Because I have said so.
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charity wrote:the road to hana wrote:
I think your sample might be skewed. Which "anti-Mormon message boards" are you perusing?
Once in a while I check in on RfM, but not often. The whiners are really off putting. Concerned Chrsitians likewise. I don't spend much time on anti boards, but my admittedly non-random sample shows up a lot of compaliners. Oh, yes, and quite a few of the ex or non-mo's from the MA&D complain about this, too.
Isn't that a little like going on Republican message boards looking for a Democrat?
"Most people do not report strong religious experiences" is not the same thing as "most people on exmormon.org do not report strong religious experiences."[/quote]
Road to hana, did you notice in your post, you specifically asked WHICH anti-Mormon message boards I was persuing? I answered your question.
I have also given plenty of reasons why your statement that MOST people on the planet have religious experiences the same as LDS. 20% report they are not religious at all. Half of those left don't even go to church all that often. Your MOST is a small number.[/quote]
I think you're confused. Or else you're confusing.
I'm just wondering when "exmormons" became "most people."
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Scottie wrote:Charity, I'm not sure anyone has said they feel it during a "rock concert".
Many have said they have felt it while listening to uplifting music. Or the national anthem. But rock music??
Guilty - kinda.
I've had some (by no means all ;) ) of the most uplifting moments of my life listening to Jimi Hendrix & Eric Clapton guitar solos, amongst others.
This, of course, may be just an indication of how shallow I really am.
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