Infymus wrote:Ah yes, again, with your limited view on your Cult membership. Back to the "crappy" status of members who just didn't get it. You know, those poor souls who took everything on the bastardized Mormon word "Faith". Members who did not know or understand that they *could* actually challenge their Priesthood leaders. Members who believed every word that preceded forth out of the mouth of the teachers, leaders and prophets of the so-called "One And Only True Church".
What is it with you Mormons who lay the blame at the feet of the innocent?
Can we switch innocent out with ignorant or lazy in this case? Take some responsibility for what you chose to learn and what you chose to believe. If you feel it was a mistake, then move on. This victim mentality really demeans yourself.
You are still blaming the member - not just me, but any member who falls away.
Why can't you just accept that your Cult teaches members to obey. Just because you know that Dinosaurs did not come from other planets does not mean that a majority of Mormons believe it. It may have been a full Faith-Promoting Rumor indeed, but, your Cult teaches members to obey - and many do without questioning. Mormonism teaches that total faith is the ultimate achievement. If you have a doubt, then you are failing. When Peter doubted, he sank into the water. Doubt in Christianity and Mormonism - is the faith killer.
And when they do obey and fall into believing these FPRS without doubting, you criticize them, calling them ignorant, lazy or "crappy".
Sounds like you need to re-think your position in Mormonism Nehor and stop being so judgmental and critical of your own kind.
Really the truth is that those who stay in the Cult will avoid your persecution. Those who fall away will be seriously judged as you have to rationalize away why they left.
How exactly did obeying that dinosaurs come from other planets hurt you? I tend to be very tolerant except with the ones who blame all their problems on something external to themselves. If you've healed, I'd hate to see the diseased. My advice would be if possible to leave Utah. It helps people to stop defining themselves solely by their LDS status. Out here most people just don't care.
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"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Blixa wrote:It is hard to determine the genuine article here--some of them MUST be parodys---but even if only a few are genuine its a pretty sad commentary on education. Of course thinking about some of the things I've heard from students, I don't know why I'm doubting any of this at all. Just last semester I had a student who was genuinely baffled over the idea that a gay man could produce children with a woman.
Well, the site owner does provide links to the originals. All of the ones I have checked have been legit. Of course, I haven't checked them all.
Especially disturbing is one from a mother posting on a Christian message board about how her son just came out to her that he is gay. The next post from her on that board is a week or so later. She is distraught that her son committed suicide!! She is worried that had she been more accepting, he might not have done this. Heartbreaking!
Blixa wrote:It is hard to determine the genuine article here--some of them MUST be parodys---but even if only a few are genuine its a pretty sad commentary on education. Of course thinking about some of the things I've heard from students, I don't know why I'm doubting any of this at all. Just last semester I had a student who was genuinely baffled over the idea that a gay man could produce children with a woman.
Well, the site owner does provide links to the originals. All of the ones I have checked have been legit. Of course, I haven't checked them all.
Especially disturbing is one from a mother posting on a Christian message board about how her son just came out to her that he is gay. The next post from her on that board is a week or so later. She is distraught that her son committed suicide!! She is worried that had she been more accepting, he might not have done this. Heartbreaking!
I did actually click through to some of the websites linked. However, the originals could have been parody in the first place.
Not a big deal, though, its obvious when you look at the originating websites that there is plenty of messed up $$it going down.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."
Blixa wrote:It is hard to determine the genuine article here--some of them MUST be parodys---but even if only a few are genuine its a pretty sad commentary on education. Of course thinking about some of the things I've heard from students, I don't know why I'm doubting any of this at all. Just last semester I had a student who was genuinely baffled over the idea that a gay man could produce children with a woman.
Well, the site owner does provide links to the originals. All of the ones I have checked have been legit. Of course, I haven't checked them all. ...
I did actually click through to some of the websites linked. However, the originals could have been parody in the first place. Not a big deal, though, its obvious when you look at the originating websites that there is plenty of messed up $$it going down.
"commentary on education"
- I was prof. soldier, radar expert and teacher for ~40 years. This was the order in time, but the order in importance was the opposite. The education, the knowledge, the thinking was and is my obsession. These articles are really sad commentaries.
"look at the originating websites"
- Many time on this site I ask myself: "How can anybody think/believe/spread such things. (without concrete cases and names ... hehe )
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
Blixa wrote:It is hard to determine the genuine article here--some of them MUST be parodys---but even if only a few are genuine its a pretty sad commentary on education. Of course thinking about some of the things I've heard from students, I don't know why I'm doubting any of this at all. Just last semester I had a student who was genuinely baffled over the idea that a gay man could produce children with a woman.
Well, the site owner does provide links to the originals. All of the ones I have checked have been legit. Of course, I haven't checked them all. ...
I did actually click through to some of the websites linked. However, the originals could have been parody in the first place. Not a big deal, though, its obvious when you look at the originating websites that there is plenty of messed up $$it going down.
"commentary on education" - I was prof. soldier, radar expert and teacher for ~40 years. This was the order in time, but the order in importance was the opposite. The education, the knowledge, the thinking was and is my obsession. These articles are really sad commentaries.
"look at the originating websites" - Many time on this site I ask myself: "How can anybody think/believe/spread such things. (without concrete cases and names ... hehe )
I hear you.
From the Ernest L. Wilkinson Diaries: "ELW dreams he's spattered w/ grease. Hundreds steal his greasy pants."