Blessings of paying tithes.

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John Larson. Let people have their beliefs. It is good to have beliefs. People do not tend to know the meaning of everything and technically so called 'coincidences' (*mocks the word*) can be classed as produced of deity.
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John Larsen wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
John Larsen wrote:There is no money magic. If there were, there would final be irrefutable proof that God exists. If you pay your tithing and get a sudden windfall one of two things happened:

1. You forgot you had a sum of money coming to you, and I don’t think God’s majesty is manifest in your forgetfulness.

2. You just received money that wasn’t due to you, in which case you should return it.

John


How about when a relative decided out of the blue to give me 10 grand? Where does that fit in?


I think you just said it. "A relative decided out of the blue to give". what more explanation do you need? Do you think God interfered with the free will of this individual for your monetary gain?

John


He might have suggested it. I don't think he forced him.
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Re: Blessings of paying tithes.

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Imwashingmypirate wrote:So when people pay tithes it doesn't matter because they will always have enough. Well that's what church claims.


Well? Have you ever paid tithing? When you did, did it "not matter" because you always had enough, or didn't it?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Imwashingmypirate wrote:So when people pay tithes it doesn't matter because they will always have enough. Well that's what church claims.


Well? Have you ever paid tithing? When you did, did it "not matter" because you always had enough, or didn't it?


That is what people in church claim. I haven't paid tithing, well only twice but it didn't really have any impact. I am too scared. I lack faith.

But yesterday, I took £20 out of a machine which charged me just under two pound. It didn't have much affect but that is almost 10 % and it all adds up. Like last semester I always used that machine, so I would say the money that went towards that would have made a difference to my financial situation. But I just had to budget better and spend less, so I amost still had enough and when I didn't I still had money because my mum sent me some.
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I should have made more toast for the remainder of my beans. I guess that would be like paying any left over money to either more tithing or fast offerings Old Testament charity or donations. Or I could have eaten the beans without toast, but I don't like the taste of them by themselves.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:John Larson. Let people have their beliefs. It is good to have beliefs. People do not tend to know the meaning of everything and technically so called 'coincidences' (*mocks the word*) can be classed as produced of deity.


I normally agree with you, but I think the LDS teaching on tithing is irresponsible and harmful. It cause a lot of heartache and financial difficulty. Religion maybe given difference when operating in the realm of metaphysics, but when they cross into finance they are open to criticism in that realm.

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John Larsen wrote:
Imwashingmypirate wrote:John Larson. Let people have their beliefs. It is good to have beliefs. People do not tend to know the meaning of everything and technically so called 'coincidences' (*mocks the word*) can be classed as produced of deity.


I normally agree with you, but I think the LDS teaching on tithing is irresponsible and harmful. It cause a lot of heartache and financial difficulty. Religion maybe given difference when operating in the realm of metaphysics, but when they cross into finance they are open to criticism in that realm.

John


It is a persons choice whether they pay tithes or not. One should learn to use their own initiative. I think if we are to pay tithes for God then should we pay tithes on our possesions? Like Christmas, should we give a percentage of our gifts we recieved back to God? But if people allow such things to destroy their life and thus their FAMILIES, then it is through there choice, I would say that as families are supposed to be the central focus and the whole purpose, then families should be put first.
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Pirate, you make me want to pull out my old Bloodlines computer game and play as a Malkavian Vampire again. Gotta love that wisdom and madness.
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Imwashingmypirate wrote:
John Larsen wrote:
Imwashingmypirate wrote:John Larson. Let people have their beliefs. It is good to have beliefs. People do not tend to know the meaning of everything and technically so called 'coincidences' (*mocks the word*) can be classed as produced of deity.


I normally agree with you, but I think the LDS teaching on tithing is irresponsible and harmful. It cause a lot of heartache and financial difficulty. Religion maybe given difference when operating in the realm of metaphysics, but when they cross into finance they are open to criticism in that realm.

John


It is a persons choice whether they pay tithes or not. One should learn to use their own initiative. I think if we are to pay tithes for God then should we pay tithes on our possesions? Like Christmas, should we give a percentage of our gifts we recieved back to God? But if people allow such things to destroy their life and thus their FAMILIES, then it is through there choice, I would say that as families are supposed to be the central focus and the whole purpose, then families should be put first.


You lost me. I'm not sure how this follows.
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The Nehor wrote:Pirate, you make me want to pull out my old Bloodlines computer game and play as a Malkavian Vampire again. Gotta love that wisdom and madness.


Pardon? Can you please explain to me in detail what you mean?
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