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Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?
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Is how Kerry can get so excited about the Hebraisms in his first few videos in light of the fact that his examples are found extant in KJV.

It's really as if his Hebraism-derived apologetic for Book of Mormon exists in some sort of vacuum in which KJV doesn't even exist--not for us and not for Joseph Smith. How else might one get righteously exercised about purported "construct states" in Book of Mormon?

CKS

PS. Or, else, might the KJV translators have been translating ancient Hebrew-derived documents as well?

Well, wait: actually, they were. Hmm...
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this is the first time I've seen this guy and I get so frustrated because he assumes everything he says is truth. There are about ten points in each 8 minute tape that could be addressed each on it's own. If I remember right on one tape he says that the Book of Mormon fits right into 7th century judaism. Infant baptism fits right into 7th century judaism? I don't think so.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


Really? What book did Joseph Smith copy the allegory of the olive tree from?
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RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


Really? What book did Joseph Smith copy the allegory of the olive tree from?


Joseph Smith didn't copy anything. What are you talking about? Please show me where I stated Joseph Smith had any hand at all in the Book of Mormon.

No really. Quote me.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


Really? What book did Joseph Smith copy the allegory of the olive tree from?


Joseph Smith didn't copy anything. What are you talking about? Please show me where I stated Joseph Smith had any hand at all in the Book of Mormon.

No really. Quote me.


Okay, so how did Joseph Smith know how to cultivate olive trees? (rofl) does that work for you? (borrowed?)
"… Do you believe Jesus Christ and the gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship. I am just as ready to die defending the rights of a Presbyterian, a Baptist, or a good man of any other denomination." Joseph Smith jr. Sermon, 1843
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RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


Really? What book did Joseph Smith copy the allegory of the olive tree from?


Joseph Smith didn't copy anything. What are you talking about? Please show me where I stated Joseph Smith had any hand at all in the Book of Mormon.

No really. Quote me.


Okay, so how did Joseph Smith know how to cultivate olive trees? (rofl) does that work for you? (borrowed?)


Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the production of the Book of Mormon.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


On the Alma thing. I probably read about this before, but simply forgot about it. Once you realize that the Book of Mormon simply is a 19th century document, there is little reason to keep tabs on every little dribble of evidence the apologists stack in the house of cards (fewer and thinner cards every year, it seems).

Now, on to your question. If it hasn't happened already, someone is bound to bring up the NHM thing, which Don Bradley effectively refuted long ago. The simple fact is that the evidence for the antiquity of the Book of Mormon is exceedingly poor. Most people, unmotivated by testimony, would hardly mistake it for anything other than a 19th century document that relies heavily on the Bible as source material.

I think the best that a Book of Mormon scholar can do is discuss how there are things in the Book of Mormon that suggest its antiquity, as in, "we wouldn't expect a 19th century forgery to exhibit these characteristics." The problem with this thinking is that it assumes a particular vision of what a forgery *must* look like, as a kind of strawman, and then proceeds to attack this version of the forgery. I would say that we might expect a 19th century forgery to contain lots of Bible quotations, a very simple and clear indicator of fraud, but then there is always some mental/rhetorical gymnastic to try to explain this obvious fact away.

As I said, I would bet that many of the things that Kerry brought up are also true of the Bible, and it is perfectly possible that this is where many of the "ancient characteristics" of the Book of Mormon are coming from--the Bible.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


Really? What book did Joseph Smith copy the allegory of the olive tree from?


Joseph Smith didn't copy anything. What are you talking about? Please show me where I stated Joseph Smith had any hand at all in the Book of Mormon.

No really. Quote me.


Okay, so how did Joseph Smith know how to cultivate olive trees? (rofl) does that work for you? (borrowed?)


Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the production of the Book of Mormon.



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Post by _Jersey Girl »

Coggins7 wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
RockHeaded wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Coggins7 wrote:
Alma being a male semitic name for that time period has been known about for years.



Yes, it has, but don't expect most here to

1. Be so much as aware of the fact

2. Be aware of the relevant scholarship

3. Be intellectually honest enough to admit to it if they were.

I am, regarding this forum, of little faith...


Then you tell me, what the possible significance of this is when the entire Book of Mormon was fabricated out of whole cloth and writings borrowed from others including the Bible?

Is this the strongest case for Book of Mormon evidences? One name?


Really? What book did Joseph Smith copy the allegory of the olive tree from?


Joseph Smith didn't copy anything. What are you talking about? Please show me where I stated Joseph Smith had any hand at all in the Book of Mormon.

No really. Quote me.


Okay, so how did Joseph Smith know how to cultivate olive trees? (rofl) does that work for you? (borrowed?)


Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the production of the Book of Mormon.



Cling to this, Jersey, if it gives you comfort.


I take and have no need of "comfort" nor clinging that Joseph Smith had nothing to do with the production of the Book of Mormon. It's true.
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