"I know you still have a testimony!"

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Jersey Girl wrote:KA,

Since I can't identify with people doing this to others (it seems kinda desperate to be honest) I'm curious to know if you view someone telling you that you have "the light of Christ inside you" as offensive? If so, why? If not, why?

That's all!

I'd be inclined to reply that I'm currently undergoing a retrofit to replace the LoC with solar-powered LEDs.[/snark]
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Tommy wrote:The Lord hath said to his children, "Grow a garden, yield fruits and grains up to the storehouse of the Lord!" I have a garden, Kimberly Ann. It's not a big garden, for my new accommodations do not afford me the space. The Lord surely has blessed you my dear sister Kimberly Ann. Very few in today's world have the ability to live the letter of God's laws to us like you do. Your canned peaches and pears are your testimony of the most high God, nothing else need be said. When I look at my small tomato plant stuggling to breath in the smoggy Salt Lake City air, I see your shining face and tender love encouraging it to grow. You touch those around you, Kimberly, in ways you will never know. For some, the bushel cannot hide the light of the candle.

Oh, and what would Joseph and Hyrum have thought seeing you push those kids around in that big 'old wheel barrel! They'd had done the same, those rascals, taking those kids for a ride through the pot holes and then top off the morning with a big water fight! They sure knew how to have fun back then, and you've touched us all today with these marvelous stories. I shall remember them in the future as I prepare my words for the saints in General Conference.


I so agree with you that Joseph knew how to have fun and take kids (and their parents) for a ride.

Tommy can ya hear me?

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CaliforniaKid wrote:You have my sympathy, KA. Some people will just never quite get it. At the end of the day I guess we just have to shrug it off and go on with our lives.

On a similar note, ever since I started suggesting that maybe gays should have the right to be married, almost all of my friends and family have asked whether I am turning gay (or strongly implied that they think I am). In these people's minds, it is simply unimaginable that a heterosexual would stand up for the rights of those dirty gays. These patterns of thinking are so deeply ingrained that it would take a professional deprogrammer to root them out.


Pretty much all of my most direct, bluntest posts on MAD in recent months had been related to the gay marriage thing. I've seen TBMs in real life and online get really angry when you challenge them on gay marriage. I might as well say "I know that you know you're wrong, because your getting angry like this shows me that you still have a conscience that's bothering you."

The bottom line with people like KA's neighbors, and those like them that we've all known, is that to them, the church being true is simply accepted as part of their worldview. It's not a question of whether it's true - it's obvious that it's true, its truth is simply a fact of existence, like blue skies, green trees, etc. Thus, it presents a true impossibility in their minds for someone like KA really to lose their testimony.

It's a lot like if KA went around telling her neighbors the clear sky wasn't blue anymore. They might be forced, out of politeness, not to argue with her over it, but in their minds they just know that she really knows it's still blue, and once she gets over whatever sinful acts are keeping her from feeling the spirit, she'll have to face up to it again.

Anyhow, this is the way it is with these people. It's not a rational decision or analysis that they are making, it's just an observation of the way things obviously are.

Our job, as exmos and nonbelievers, is to wake people up to the idea that things aren't so obvious as they think they are.
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Tommy wrote: I shall remember them in the future as I prepare my words for the saints in General Conference.


If this shows up in conference, we're all going to be shocked.
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Sethbag wrote:[Our job, as exmos and nonbelievers, is to wake people up to the idea that things aren't so obvious as they think they are.


Good thing I'm not an exmo or a nonbeliever, since I don't consider it my job to change anyone in any way.
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Post by _The Nehor »

These people seem to be....tactless. I've had the sensation that there was evil in a place but who in the world walks up to the occupant of that place and tells them that they see a veil of evil over your house. What do they think they can possibly accomplish by saying that other then alienating someone? Telling someone they have a testimony? What is that but preparation they hope to use if/when the person does come back so they can say, "I told you so." Think before you speak. Is it true? Is it kind? Is it helpful? If it doesn't fit at least two of those three criteria, it's generally best not to say it. Now if only I could learn that lesson.

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Post by _TygerFang »

some people just can't accept that some people can be ex-mormon and not an immoral jerk. I suggest calmly and firmly telling them that you can be a good person and not believe in the Mormon church.
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Post by _KimberlyAnn »

Jersey Girl wrote:KA,

Since I can't identify with people doing this to others (it seems kinda desperate to be honest) I'm curious to know if you view someone telling you that you have "the light of Christ inside you" as offensive? If so, why? If not, why?

That's all!


It's a bit offensive when my neighbor says it because she means, "You are still a good person, so I know you must still have a testimony of the Mormon church." She doesn't mean a generic Christ-likeness.

Also, as Chap said, she's essentially calling me a liar. If I believed the Mormon church were true, I'd still be a member. I wouldn't lie about my beliefs.

KA
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Post by _KimberlyAnn »

Tommy wrote:The Lord hath said to his children, "Grow a garden, yield fruits and grains up to the storehouse of the Lord!" I have a garden, Kimberly Ann. It's not a big garden, for my new accommodations do not afford me the space. The Lord surely has blessed you my dear sister Kimberly Ann. Very few in today's world have the ability to live the letter of God's laws to us like you do. Your canned peaches and pears are your testimony of the most high God, nothing else need be said. When I look at my small tomato plant stuggling to breath in the smoggy Salt Lake City air, I see your shining face and tender love encouraging it to grow. You touch those around you, Kimberly, in ways you will never know. For some, the bushel cannot hide the light of the candle.

Oh, and what would Joseph and Hyrum have thought seeing you push those kids around in that big 'old wheel barrel! They'd had done the same, those rascals, taking those kids for a ride through the pot holes and then top off the morning with a big water fight! They sure knew how to have fun back then, and you've touched us all today with these marvelous stories. I shall remember them in the future as I prepare my words for the saints in General Conference.


I've missed you, Tommy! I was beginning to fear you were too busy Propheting to visit the apostates on this board.

I hope you are enjoying your picture book Bible.

KA
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Post by _ludwigm »

Tommy wrote:...
... these marvelous stories. I shall remember them in the future as I prepare my words for the saints in General Conference.


By the way, my words was prepared years before, for previous GCs and old Ensign issues. The marvelous text editors of our sinful world help me to recycle .. ehm .. reassemble any twelveyear old article. The Lord's children will fail to notice it, as usual.



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