A facelift for FARMS

[_The Dude]

The upgraded FARMS website doesn't load properly for me. I guess Microsoft has joined the league of conspirators. That's just perfect.

[_John Larsen]

Why is a university sponsoring anything that has any percentage of apologetics? Apologetics is junk science and no reputable institution would touch it with a 10 foot pole.

Universities routinely "touch" people like al-Ghazali, Origen, G. K. Chesterton, Augustine, Qadi ‘Abd al-Jabbar, John Locke, Thomas Aquinas, C. S. Lewis, Theodore Abu Qurrah, Alvin Plantinga, Nicholas Wolterstorff, Peter Kreeft, Richard Swinburne, Moses Maimonides, William Lane Craig, and N. T. Wright -- apologists all.

Studying propaganda and producing propaganda are two different things entirely.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Studying propaganda and producing propaganda are two different things entirely.

If you want to dismiss important works by al-Ghazali, Stephen Davis, Origen, G. K. Chesterton, Ibn Rushd, Augustine, Qadi ‘Abd al-Jabbar, John Locke, Marilyn Adams, Thomas Aquinas, C. S. Lewis, Theodore Abu Qurrah, Alvin Plantinga, Nicholas Wolterstorff, Peter Kreeft, Richard Swinburne, Gary Habermas, Moses Maimonides, William Lane Craig, and N. T. Wright as mere "propaganda," I suppose you're entitled to that rather bizarre quirk.

And if you want to dismiss the philosophy programs at Yale University and Oxford University and Cambridge University and Boston College and Claremont Graduate School and the University of Notre Dame as propaganda mills, that's your prerogative, too.

But you probably shouldn't expect to be taken too seriously, except perhaps on this board and in a few similarly-inclined places.

[_Trevor]

"Roped in"? "Eerie methods"? Eerie?

The professional fundraisers for the Maxwell Institute:


QED

[_Daniel Peterson]

Ed Snow is the bald one behind the chair. (The clandestine photograph of him that is hidden along with his secretive bio on the Maxwell Institute web site is somewhat out of date.)

[_John Larsen]

Studying propaganda and producing propaganda are two different things entirely.

If you want to dismiss important works by al-Ghazali, Stephen Davis, Origen, G. K. Chesterton, Ibn Rushd, Augustine, Qadi ‘Abd al-Jabbar, John Locke, Marilyn Adams, Thomas Aquinas, C. S. Lewis, Theodore Abu Qurrah, Alvin Plantinga, Nicholas Wolterstorff, Peter Kreeft, Richard Swinburne, Gary Habermas, Moses Maimonides, William Lane Craig, and N. T. Wright as mere "propaganda," I suppose you're entitled to that rather bizarre quirk.

And if you want to dismiss the philosophy programs at Yale University and Oxford University and Cambridge University and Boston College and Claremont Graduate School and the University of Notre Dame as propaganda mills, that's your prerogative, too.

But you probably shouldn't expect to be taken too seriously, except perhaps on this board and in a few similarly-inclined places.

It is as silly for me to suggest that the writings are all propaganda as it is silly for you to imply their writings are all apologia.

The idea, for example, that a university the engages the writings of John Locke is somehow involved in apologetic is pure ridiculousness.

[_Daniel Peterson]

It is as silly for me to suggest that the writings are all propaganda as it is silly for you to imply their writings are all apologia.

Something I never implied.

But many of these writers have devoted considerable time and effort to clearly apologetic writing (e.g., Thomas's Summa contra gentiles, John Locke's The Reasonableness of Christianity, as Delivered in the Scriptures, Augustine's Civitas dei, and much, much more). And, among their corpus of writings, these works are far from insignificant.

The idea, for example, that a university the engages the writings of John Locke is somehow involved in apologetic is pure ridiculousness.

But universities that pay Nicholas Wolterstorff and Alvin Plantinga and Richard Swinburne and Stephen Davis and Gary Habermas and William Lane Craig and Peter Kreeft and N. T. Wright and others who write serious apologetic books and articles most definitely are so involved.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

"Roped in"? "Eerie methods"? Eerie?

The professional fundraisers for the Maxwell Institute:


QED

Slap a set of Mickey ears on the boy in the striped shirt and you have LifeOnaPlate right there in the photo too.