GoodK wrote:If it were true - yes it would be worth it.
I have no problem admitting that.
Well, for my own part, there's nothing to admit. Even if it were true, it would not be worth living like a Mormon. I don't have any interest in living for eternity with the Mormon god, being a god, or spending eternity with a bunch of pious Mormons. As portrayed in South Park, that's my idea of hell.
I'll enjoy the life I've got, not waste it on the delusional fantasy of some womanizing con man from the 19th century.
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Striving to be a god sounds like the ultimate narcissistic. Beyond that – living my life and trying to be perfect would be a recipe for mental failure.
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
GoodK wrote:If it were true - yes it would be worth it.
I have no problem admitting that.
Well, for my own part, there's nothing to admit. Even if it were true, it would not be worth living like a Mormon. I don't have any interest in living for eternity with the Mormon god, being a god, or spending eternity with a bunch of pious Mormons. As portrayed in South Park, that's my idea of hell.
I'll enjoy the life I've got, not waste it on the delusional fantasy of some womanizing con man from the 19th century.
Your first problem is that your ideas of LDS divinity come from a cartoon show. Correct that and maybe you'll have something to discuss.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Your first problem is that your ideas of LDS divinity come from a cartoon show. Correct that and maybe you'll have something to discuss.
You may not appreciate the portrayal – but the South Park episode was more accurate than not. Face facts you have goofy beliefs..
God has the right to create and to destroy, to make like and to kill. He can delegate this authority if he wishes to. I know that can be scary. Deal with it. Nehor.. Nov 08, 2010
Your first problem is that your ideas of LDS divinity come from a cartoon show. Correct that and maybe you'll have something to discuss.
You may not appreciate the portrayal – but the South Park episode was more accurate than not. Face facts you have goofy beliefs..
Ummmm....I thought it was funny. It was also nothing but guesswork.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
With respect to the children who didn't make it back, I think the key, in Mormon theology, is the belief that wherever your children are, they chose that for themselves and are happy and satisfied with their choice, excepting of course those who become Sons of Perdition - and they still chose it, and even though they're miserable, it's still what they wanted.
Knowing that the children who won't return to the Celestial Kingdom are nevertheless satisfied with the lot they've chosen would lessen the distress of not actually living with them as a family unit, I think. At least, that's what we're meant to think, and there's some sense to it.
Don't think of it as "these kids are ripped from your arms by the cold claws of eternal justice, and you as a Mormon God just have to deal with it". Think of it as "you created all these children and they all choose what sort of glory they can and will abide, and will be satisfied with whatever level of glory that is, and many of your children will actually return and live with you in glory as Gods forever and ever". It doesn't sound so bad now, does it?
But yeah, I do find the Mormon conception of Mormon men ruling over their own large harems of wives to be too patriarchal. It's male dominated. They claim it isn't, but it really is, and I find that objectionable.
Still, aside from the objectionable parts related to male-dominated women in a patriarchal harem system, I'd prefer to be a God for eternity than cease to exist.
Too bad it's just a figment of our imaginations. There isn't going to be any people becoming Gods after death. Oh well.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Obviously the key word is IF. IF it were true, you'd have to be stupid to reject it.
Of course, it is clearly false, so there is nothing to get all excited about.
Oh, and just to clear things up: the South Park episode about Joseph Smith is not the same episode where we learn that "Mormon's had it right" and only they get into heaven. That is the episode where Sadaam Hussein goes to Hell and tries to kill Satan's new boyfriend Chris.
GoodK wrote:Obviously the key word is IF. IF it were true, you'd have to be stupid to reject it.
Well, either stupid, or wise enough to see that it wouldn't be all that you think it's cracked up to be.
EDIT: You have to remember that, because this is the adolescent fantasy of con man, the vision of the afterlife by said con man, is very adolescent fantasy-like. It appeals to a slightly less evolved/mature mind. It may seem like it would be good if you first look at it superficially, but when you really delve deeply into its implications, it's not as great as it first appeared.
Just like the entire religion itself; on the surface, it's sort of reasonable (if you swallow or ignore a ton of assumptions, that is), but when you look under the surface, you really see what a crock it is.
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God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
The longer I'm out, the sillier Mormonism looks, from the outside.
I always thought the culture was a little tacky, too. I don't miss it at all. Maybe it's just where I grew up and the brand of Mormonism in which I was raised. Who knows?
I mean, road shows are great and all....Oh, and church stomps. Never missed those! Culturally, I thought it was a dead end.
It's much better outside. Oh, and it isn't true anyway. Time to get on with life.
I detest my loose style and my libertine sentiments. I thank God, who has removed from my eyes the veil... Adrian Beverland
GoodK wrote:Obviously the key word is IF. IF it were true, you'd have to be stupid to reject it.
Well, either stupid, or wise enough to see that it wouldn't be all that you think it's cracked up to be.
EDIT: You have to remember that, because this is the adolescent fantasy of con man, the vision of the afterlife by said con man, is very adolescent fantasy-like. It appeals to a slightly less evolved/mature mind. It may seem like it would be good if you first look at it superficially, but when you really delve deeply into its implications, it's not as great as it first appeared.
Just like the entire religion itself; on the surface, it's sort of reasonable (if you swallow or ignore a ton of assumptions, that is), but when you look under the surface, you really see what a crock it is.
Are you arguing that it isn't true? Or if it was true it still would be a crock?
I thought the hypothetical IF took care of that.
Of course I think it is bogus.
But IF it was true, well, then I guess you could still try and be noble by rejecting it because your mind is slightly more evolved. I don't think that would be very smart, though.