Defenders: Why didn't Joseph show Isaac Hale the plates?

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Re: Defenders: Why didn't Joseph show Isaac Hale the plates?

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gramps wrote:Are there any reviews online of his book of which you might be aware?

Somebody found a really negative one for harmony the other day. Other than that, I'm unaware of any -- though there probably are some others (probably negative).

The book was published back in 1981, as I recall.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:
gramps wrote:Are there any reviews online of his book of which you might be aware?

Somebody found a really negative one for harmony the other day. Other than that, I'm unaware of any -- though there probably are some others (probably negative).

The book was published back in 1981, as I recall.


FARMS hasn't done one yet?
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Re: Defenders: Why didn't Joseph show Isaac Hale the plates?

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gramps wrote:FARMS hasn't done one yet?

The FARMS Review first appeared in 1989.

Although we've occasionally published a review of something that appeared prior to 1988, we haven't done so very often or even slightly systematically.
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I have seen mention of the weight of the plates as being 240 lbs. based on the dimensions and the heaviness of gold.
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harmony wrote:It would be nice to see a list of the witnesses and how they were related to each other and to Joseph.


Most of the witness later on repudiated their testimony. Can't always count on friends and relatives. Still, the literalness of the book is not why I am a Mormon.
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Well, all I know is I was using some 45 lbs dumbells today, and there is no way someone is running around with 45 lbs of anything in his hands, fending people off, jumping over logs, etc... So, frankly, this little story of Mr. Smith of running through the woods with the plates on his hip more than negates any "eye witness" testimonkey. It's such damned horse crap that it would make a horse ashamed to know it's breed is associated with a term to describe flamboozlery. How Mormons can get past this story is astounding to me.
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moksha wrote:Most of the witness later on repudiated their testimony.

That's news to me.
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moksha wrote:
harmony wrote:It would be nice to see a list of the witnesses and how they were related to each other and to Joseph.


Most of the witness later on repudiated their testimony. Can't always count on friends and relatives. Still, the literalness of the book is not why I am a Mormon.



I'd like to see that, can you show me?

Also, you mention the weight of the plates. Where did you get the weight information?
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antishock8 wrote:Well, all I know is I was using some 45 lbs dumbells today, and there is no way someone is running around with 45 lbs of anything in his hands, fending people off, jumping over logs, etc...


Obviously, you do not believe in miracles.
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Re: Defenders: Why didn't Joseph show Isaac Hale the plates?

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Trevor wrote:
antishock8 wrote:Well, all I know is I was using some 45 lbs dumbells today, and there is no way someone is running around with 45 lbs of anything in his hands, fending people off, jumping over logs, etc...


Obviously, you do not believe in miracles.


The only miracle possible would have been me making it to ten reps without my arms shaking like little biotches.
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