Prop 8, $$ and the LDS Church video

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New Hampshire Episcopal Bishop Gene Robinson, a vocal gay rights leader, will open President-elect Barack Obama's inauguration with a prayer on Sunday's kick-off event at the Lincoln Memorial.
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Robinson is the first openly gay diocesan bishop in the Anglican Communion. "God never gets it wrong. The church often takes a long time to get it right. It is a human institution, but one capable of self-correction," Robinson told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. "I believe in my heart that the church got it wrong about homosexuality. There is great excitement in my heart to be living in a time when the church is starting to get it right."
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And he may want to marry ...
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I can only recall seeing one ad from the "no" side during the heat of the campaign


Media reports indicate the "no" side had lots more ads on radio and TV than did the "yes" side. The timing was different; "yes" started early and "no" concentrated their ads in the last two or three weeks.

The "no" side was very deceptive -- no mention of homosexual marriage at all, only heterosexuals were featured. In the aftermath, the no coalition fought amongst themselves over the wisdom of this little deception.

The "no" side had the California commissioner of education saying that Prop 8 would have no impact upon education when, in fact, the education code requires the teaching of "marriage" in school districts with comprehensive sex ed programs. It couldn't be more black and white.

The "yes" side was derided for deceptive ads as well, but I was involved in the campaign and I didn't see it. Although I disagreed with the little fliers going around saying that ministers could be sued for refusing to perform marriages, and I think I had a hand in stopping some of these sillier arguments, none of that silliness made it into broadcast media. There were no "lies" in the broadcast media on the "yes" side. When you hear that claim made, ask for an example and ask to be pointed to a specific video.
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"rcrocket"
Media reports indicate the "no" side had lots more ads on radio and TV than did the "yes" side. The timing was different; "yes" started early and "no" concentrated their ads in the last two or three weeks.


That may be true, but they were not putting their ads or information in the right places then or I would have seen more of them. The Mormons still had a much superior effort and organization at the grass roots level, and through the use of internet radio, etc.. I live in a conservative county and like I already mentioned, was bombarded with "yes" ads, calls, and signs but the "no" side seemed pretty dead until a week before the election.

In my opinion, the "no" side was unprepared and would have planned a much more aggressive and intelligent campaign (that missionary ad was so poorly done) had they understood the involvement and power of Mormons who were following church leadership. When they finally realized what was happening it was too late. Elder Ballard said in a recent interview something like "when the leaders give us direction we follow it" and "we know how to get things done" about the Prop 8 effort.
He's right.


The "yes" side was derided for deceptive ads as well, but I was involved in the campaign and I didn't see it. Although I disagreed with the little fliers going around saying that ministers could be sued for refusing to perform marriages, and I think I had a hand in stopping some of these sillier arguments, none of that silliness made it into broadcast media. There were no "lies" in the broadcast media on the "yes" side. When you hear that claim made, ask for an example and ask to be pointed to a specific video.


There was a lot of fear-mongering coming from the "yes" side in their ads, internet videos being passed around, and chain e-mails sent to me. For example, the lesbian wedding field trip......... which the real story was nothing like what I had been sent from "yes" supporters.
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It's very un-American for the political side opposing my views to be better organized and more effective than my side.

I think it should be illegal.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:It's very un-American for the political side opposing my views to be better organized and more effective than my side.

I think it should be illegal.

Don't worry, you'll get your wish once Jesus returns to Earth and puts the Mormons in charge of everything.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:It's very un-American for the political side opposing my views to be better organized and more effective than my side.

I think it should be illegal.


I don't believe anything was un-American about the Prop 8 campaign.
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That may be true, but they were not putting their ads or information in the right places then or I would have seen more of them.


Let me submit that you don't listen to the radio at all. Let me further submit that you don't watch prime time TV.

There was a lot of fear-mongering coming from the "yes" side in their ads,


No there wasn't. Give me your best example from broadcast media. They are all on-line on youtube.

I don't care much about what folks said in emails. I have retained the hate mail I get; just got another one yesterday.
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:Don't worry, you'll get your wish once Jesus returns to Earth and puts the Mormons in charge of everything.

Paranoid Scratchite demonology has a strange attraction for some people, I guess. I confess that I don't understand the appeal.

Incidentally, I have strong libertarian leanings. Rather odd, for someone you apparently want to portray as a wannabe theocratic fascist.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:Incidentally, I have strong libertarian leanings.


Really? Then why are you against same-sex marriage?
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I remember from my American Heritage class at BYU, many years ago, that it's the SOP of extremists to insist that they are "middle of the road" -- Rush Limbaugh was used as the textbook example.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

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