Mormon Gulag Commercial during General Conference

[Guest]

Fair enough, however, I don't think you've considered the impact of early institutionalization that contributes to the strained and fractured relationships that lead to the boot-camp incarceration.

I'm reluctant to respond to this, as I don't wish to derail the thread, but are you claiming that there's a link between placing children in daycare and teenage delinquency? I'd be interested in reading a sociological study which finds such a correlation.

[_GoodK]

Nope. I'm curious. What kind of commercial... for? against?

For.

They played it at the end of the last session. Based on GoodK's hype, it's probably a good place to send any wayward kid.

So Brad, you would send your child there if they didn't want to be a Mormon? And what do you mean "GoodK's hype"? Are you trying to imply I am being dishonest in some way? Please explain, your post is very hard to understand.

Yes indeed. It is clearly quite proper that American families should be able to sentence their children to terms of what amounts to incarceration without legal process, and without the child in question having any access to a lawyer.

This is a very good point to bring up. Young people are required to pay taxes, abide by the law, and contribute positively to society, yet a Mormon youth facility in Utah can incarcerate youth for any reason and restrict access to lawyers, social workers, and even emergency services.

No matter which way you slice it, it isn't right.




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[_Jersey Girl]

This is such a difficult topic for me... gets my blood boiling actually!

I'm right there in the pot with you, truthdancer, though my concerns are for a much earlier age.

In my work I am in constant contact with a facility designed to help youth who are unable to function safely in mainstream society.

In my state, these types of facilities are set up so there are numerous safeguards to protect these children, and nothing like what happens in Utah could happen here without numerous people knowing.

I cannot for the life of me imagine a parent voluntarily placing, or even allowing a child to reside where the rules and regulations are even remotely similar to those of the MG.

Further, I can't imagine a state allowing anything like the MG to exist.

It is heartbreaking, and life-breaking.

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truthdancer, I wonder if you could supply us with a description of the conditions of the facility that you referred to so that we have a basis for comparision between what types of supports should be going on for youth and what conditions should not be present and infact detrimental to youth who need support?

I think it would be helpful for us to consider what constitutes healthful services.

[_DarkHelmet]

I think most Mormon parents would agree that if normal FHE, Primary, Seminary, Sunday Meetings, and Youth Activites are not enough to keep your child on the straight and narrow path, having the Gospel beat into the kid at the Mormon gulag should be an option for any caring parent.

[_Chap]

So what does the Constitution, and indeed US federal law generally, guarantee by way of rights relevant to the topic under discussion for an "unemancipated minor"? And what does he or she have to do to get "emancipated"?

I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. But those questions should be answered before appealing to the "Constitution" when discussing parental rights.

Well, I just had this idea that the Constitution "stands for" various ideas of rights and due process for people of any age who are going to be deprived of liberty, and stuff. But them I am just a sentimental old fuddy-duddy, hey?

It's just what turns me on.

[_silentkid]

The Nehor,

Perhaps this video would help take you to the next level:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UE_H1bNPOc4

I tried to watch it but it was long and boring.

Kind of like church.

[_Gadianton]

GoodK,

This is reminiscent of the plausible deniability formally cushioned between the brethren and the apologists by provisions found in the so-called Protocols of 1995. One wonders if a similar document were drawn up to "define the relationship" between church leadership and the Gulag. One also wonders if any of the positions or oversight of the Gulag comes through a church calling or some kind of blessings.

[_Doctor Steuss]

They played it at the end of the last session. Based on GoodK's hype, it's probably a good place to send any wayward kid.

So Brad, you would send your child there if they didn't want to be a Mormon?

Come now Goodk, this is just silly. BCSpace would never send his child there if they didn't want to be a Mormon. He would only send them there if they wanted to be a Democrat.

You lose credibility when you ask these silly questions.

[_harmony]

Well, I just had this idea that the Constitution "stands for" various ideas of rights and due process for people of any age who are going to be deprived of liberty, and stuff. But them I am just a sentimental old fuddy-duddy, hey?

It's just what turns me on.

Children have very few, if any, Constitutional rights. They have a few rights in individual states, based on state law, but the Constitution is for and about adults.

[_GoodK]

GoodK,

This is reminiscent of the plausible deniability formally cushioned between the brethren and the apologists by provisions found in the so-called Protocols of 1995. One wonders if a similar document were drawn up to "define the relationship" between church leadership and the Gulag. One also wonders if any of the positions or oversight of the Gulag comes through a church calling or some kind of blessings.

Gad,

You make a great point. I have been mindful of your advice to not give too much away before my book is ready to be published, but I will say that I have come into possession of a document of just that kind. It is one of the several "Bullseyes" I have been saving for the book.

I am very convinced that positions at the ranch are callings, it is absolutely true that two senior missionary couples are called to serve at the Mormon Gulag.