Mormonism not polytheistic? Do Mormons know that?

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Re: Mormonism not polytheistic? Do Mormons know that?

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The real question is do any of those qualify as doctrine?

I'm sorry, but what does this actually mean?


It means that I was referring to KA's and seven's post regarding somethings heard in church.

And what IS "doctrine" in this instance?


The Church clearly defines what is and is not doctrine as per the link in my siggy. Thus, the resources (Church publications) that establish doctrine are known as well as those that don't. Hence, one can easily determine what the doctrine is regarding a specific question or even if there is a doctrine at all.
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bcspace wrote:
The Church clearly defines what is and is not doctrine as per the link in my siggy. Thus, the resources (Church publications) that establish doctrine are known as well as those that don't. Hence, one can easily determine what the doctrine is regarding a specific question or even if there is a doctrine at all.


- The Church clearly defines what is and is not doctrine as per the link in my siggy.
The Church (not too) clearly defines where to found some elements of doctrine as per the link in Your siggy.
Please show us any document/link/publication which writes:
* The chuch doctrine is: list of 5 (50, 5000, 5 million) item.
* The others are not doctrine: list of another 5 (50, 5000, 5 million) item.
This were a definition.

Your first bullet - which You never read - wrote:Not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. A single statement made by a single leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, but is not meant to be officially binding for the whole Church. With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications. This doctrine resides in the four “standard works” of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith. Isolated statements are often taken out of context, leaving their original meaning distorted.

Is something of "temple activity" doctrine?
Is something of "temple activity" resides in the four “standard works” of scripture? In official declarations?
Did You read ever the texts You refer?
Do You know what a definition is?
by the way the link You refer is not doctrine. Or is it? In that case, everything under the same subtitle is doctrine.


- if there is a doctrine at all
There is no doctrine at all.


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Re: Mormonism not polytheistic? Do Mormons know that?

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Mercury wrote:Well, hmm. God the Father? OK. God the Son? Yep.

Well, that's more than one God. Polytheism it is.


By this definition all Christians are polytheistic

Course they are just as much as LDS. They have just invented this impossible definition of how three still equals one. And they did it because their earliest critics charged them with being polytheistic.
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I grew up LDS, and my beliefs have always mirrored mainstream Christianity in the concept of only Christ needing to make the ultimate sacrifice. His atonement covered the sins of all men throughout all time and inhabitants of all worlds past and present.

As far as I am aware, this is what is taught in the LDS Church of today. Gaz? Bob? Jason? Abman? Any other part time apologists care to comment?


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If Jesus was God before He was born, then why did Elder Holland say he died a spiritual death this past conference?

How can a God lose the Spirit?



LDS believe that spiritual death means separation from the God, or more correct God the Father. When Jesus was on the Cross he cried out asking why God, His God, had forsaken him. Apparently for that moment at least the Father withdrew from Him. Thus the spiritual death Elder Holland referred to.
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Re: Mormonism not polytheistic? Do Mormons know that?

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I think Christians in general, and Protestants almost exclusively, do not have a clue what happened to bring about their present church. They don't know their history or how their doctrine developed; they only know their present. If we're going to slam LDS because we don't know our history or doctrine, we can be equally critical of Christians for not knowing theirs.

If all worshipping God entails is going to church on Sunday and singing a hymn or two, sitting on some do-good committee, and saying a blessing over the food, then Mormons worship as well as anyone else does.
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