West Ridge Academy Missionaries Tutor With Love

[_karl61]

Let's say 15-year-old Mormon Billie is pending trial for rape of a 14 year old. He smokes weed every day. He doesn't come home. He has just been arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. He doesn't attend school.

Let's say that 16-year-old Mormon Johnny, meth-fueled, comes home one evening and assaults his Mom with a knife? This culminates months of trying to get Johnny to go to school, much less Church, and to stop his drug habit. Smoking dope on the front stoop is an everyday occurrence.

Or, let's say that 16-year-old Mormon Suzie is self-destructive. She cuts herself. She takes meth. She doesn't attend school. She performs sex on any boy who will ask her. Her body is filling with tattoos.

All three of these are case stories with which I have personal knowledge.

Sure, there may be problems with the parents. Who doesn't have problems? But the problem is HERE and NOW. Counseling the parents won't fix the meth use, the sex, the dropping out.

All three of them have had their children in counseling, to the best they have been able to get there. All three of them are looking at or have looked at boot camp as an alternative.

What is the solution? They could be easily be declared incorrigible and sent off to CYA. In two of these above examples, there are other children in the household being exposed to the drug crowd which comes around when parents are absent.

Boot camp, whether it be Mormon or Baptist, can be an acceptable alternative to the CYA. Hope for desperate parents. However, in no case with which I am personally familiar, has the kid returned from boot camp cured; in all cases there was a high degree of recidivism to bad habits.

you are entering the I don't know what I am talking about situation again: CYA is state and probation is county. The case of what the girl is doing is completly different than the situation you described for the males. They could be held at a juvenile detention facility and the parents don't have to do jack. They could be sentenced to a county probation camp or to CYA up until age 26. If the parents brought someone with history of the males back into the home with siblings the parents could lose the siblings to foster care. Do you know of a situation where there is a juvenile with a violent history that is in the home with younger siblings and he could hurt those siblings. Are you a mandated reporter? If so BISHOP, you need to call that in.

Also the girl you desribed would be a WIC 601 and the males you desribed would be a WIC 602. It seems you don't know anything about juvenile law. When was the last time you were in Dependency court in Monterey Park; or when was the last time you were at Sylmar or Los Pardrinos for Deliquency court which is 602.

read up:

http://www.legaltips.org/california/cal ... 618.5.aspx

[_rcrocket]

You are a source for constant ad hominem attacks. When I asked you to retract your bull you simply launched into an ad hominem attack. Because you think you know me you somehow believe that this magically makes me succeptible to your smarmy childish banter.

I'll try to be better. And I don't know you, sorry. I just know what you post about yourself.

[_marg]

As to the question about the "Mormon Gulag," you might recall I responded to this identical question in another thread on Apr 13, 2009 10:26 pm. You may not like the response but I gave it. Since you didn't respond, I hold it against you.

I see you edited your post by adding the above.

I did respond to you then Bob. You said in your response then to my question "Look, I don't know anything about the Utah Boy's Ranch." and then the rest of your post was ad hominem against Eric.

You didn't mention what specifically you thought he exaggerated.

You appear to be the dishonest individual in this case. If you really had something to back up your accusation that Eric is lying or you think he is, you'd say what it is.

[_why me]

Their homepage seems okay. The site also has tesitmonials from some boys and families.

http://utahboysranch.org/

[_karl61]

crockett wrote:

"They could be easily be declared incorrigible and sent off to CYA"

wrong! you are not going to send incorrigible to state prison which is what CYA is.

[_rcrocket]

crockett wrote:

"They could be easily be declared incorrigible and sent off to CYA"

wrong! you are not going to send incorrigible to state prison which is what CYA is.

Oh, the internet expert rises again.

[_truth dancer]

Their homepage seems okay. The site also has tesitmonials from some boys and families.

Of course it does. Do you think they are going to go into detail regarding their treatment of the children housed there?

Do you think any parent would send their child if they knew what went on there? (Actually, yes there are parents who would do such a thing but not decent, loving parents).

Read a little more and you will see some serious red flags!

[_marg]

Let's say 15-year-old Mormon Billie is pending trial for rape of a 14 year old. He smokes weed every day. He doesn't come home. He has just been arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. He doesn't attend school.

Let's say that 16-year-old Mormon Johnny, meth-fueled, comes home one evening and assaults his Mom with a knife? This culminates months of trying to get Johnny to go to school, much less Church, and to stop his drug habit. Smoking dope on the front stoop is an everyday occurrence.

Or, let's say that 16-year-old Mormon Suzie is self-destructive. She cuts herself. She takes meth. She doesn't attend school. She performs sex on any boy who will ask her. Her body is filling with tattoos.

All three of these are case stories with which I have personal knowledge.

Sure, there may be problems with the parents. Who doesn't have problems? But the problem is HERE and NOW. Counseling the parents won't fix the meth use, the sex, the dropping out.

All three of them have had their children in counseling, to the best they have been able to get there. All three of them are looking at or have looked at boot camp as an alternative.

What is the solution? They could be easily be declared incorrigible and sent off to CYA. In two of these above examples, there are other children in the household being exposed to the drug crowd which comes around when parents are absent.

Boot camp, whether it be Mormon or Baptist, can be an acceptable alternative to the CYA. Hope for desperate parents. However, in no case with which I am personally familiar, has the kid returned from boot camp cured; in all cases there was a high degree of recidivism to bad habits.

And how should a boot camp operate? Should it use behavior modification techniques designed to break a person's will down?

And should teens who have soft to no behavioral issues be sent to such places away from family and friends for years?

Westridge as Truth Dancer pointed out does not accept kids with serious issues at least that's what they claim.

What about a scenario in which a step parent simply wants to get rid of the teen and the teen really has no behavioral issues? That's one of the things I noticed in my readings on the net, many times it seemed it was a step parent sending the kid away.

So should a kid with no to soft even moderate behavioral issues be humilated, taken away from family and friends, isolated rom the world, religion forced upon them..because some step parent wants to get rid of them?

There is no excuse to send a kid away from their support group of friends and family for 2 years at the whim of a parent/step parent, with no professional assessment to verify it's warranted.

[_rcrocket]

You appear to be the dishonest individual in this case. If you really had something to back up your accusation that Eric is lying or you think he is, you'd say what it is.

Oh well, if dishonesty is a label just because you don't agree with my answer, there isn't much to do about it.

But I must wonder why there have been no reports of investigation as a result of GoodK's complaints? Why won't he tell us what formal complaints he has made to Utah state authorities? (I don't consider unresponded emails and left phone messages much of an attempt. Was there a letter? Did he ever connect with a live being? Did the CPS ever talk to him? Did he ever talk to the cops?)

He also says he has "lawyers" agaggle ready to pounce. It isn't a secret when one has a lawyer. The lawyer would take my call. I'd be interested in making that call. Why aren't we favored with a lawyer.

So, I'm not ready to accept at face value this big whopper, or the little whopper about some bishop who committed adultery and should be defamed. I not only not accept the story at face value, I doubt its truthfulness.

[_rcrocket]

There is no excuse to send a kid away from their support group of friends and family for 2 years at the whim of a parent/step parent, with no professional assessment to verify it's warranted.

Every boot camp I've ever seen has professionals on staff; these things cost $30K a year for the parents.

"Whim" is assuming a lot.

So, I guess I am reading your post to say that the dozens to hundreds of private boot camps in the United States have no place in dealing with children and should be shut down. (I wonder why and how they get their licenses from the state to operate as such -- a mystery. I guess your internet scholarship should answer that somehow.)