why me wrote: There is no excuse for what happened to Joseph Smith and his brother.
There is no excuse for taking other men's wives either, anywhere, anytime, under any circumstances, not even the "God commanded it" excuse.
And here Ray is your blind sense of righteousness. Joseph Smith was not murdered for taking other men's lives. He was murdered by a mob that was aroused by the antimormon press coverage in the local community. You just need to look at Uncle Dale's site and read what the local yokel press was reporting about Mormons. When seen in this context one can understand the destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor since that press was just going to one more antimormon rag. Joseph Smith was murdered. End of story. His brother was murdered. End of story. And John Taylor would have been murdered if not for the watch that stopped the murderous bullet.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Joseph was murdered by a mob. It was barbaric and evil. And it would have been interesting what would have happened if he would have carried on. What would have happened to the LDS church with Joseph Smith at the helm. But we will never know because a mob killed him, a mob made up of intolerant men who had blood in their minds and then on their hands.
There is no excuse for what happened to Joseph Smith and his brother.
Exactly. No excuse. God will not be mocked.
And I suppose when many of the orginal appostles of Jesus were murdered brutally as they preached the gospel we can say also that: God will not be mocked!
Nice try Harm. Now I do believe that if you were to transpose yourself to 1844, you would have been one of the wives egging their husband on to murder Smith. Right?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Mercury wrote:Is there no help for the widows son?
No. None at all.
Why didn't someone bury his remains in the tide? It would have been fitting.
And you also would have been one of the mobsters who murdered Smith back then if you were living at that time. Who knows maybe you and harm would have been an item and would have been supporting each other in the murder.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Dr. Shades wrote:Why didn't a light burst from the heavens to prevent John the Baptist from being beheaded?
You definitely have mob organizer talent. Maybe, if you were alive back then, you and William Law would have been good friends.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Joseph was murdered because God withdrew his protection from a man who had betrayed the sacred trust granted to him, and God allowed the death to occur by the hands of his enemies.
Try to remember a few salient points, whyme: Joseph is the only modern prophet to die in his prime. And Brigham told us why: because God will not allow the church to be led astray. Joseph led the church astray, and it took another generation to get it at least somewhat back on track.
God will not be mocked. Joseph will not play a part in any exaltation or evaluation of anyone in the hereafter. Joseph has joined his mentor, David, in hell, for the same crime of taking another man's wife, and will be exalted to the station he deserves... which is likely Outer Darkness, since he had pure knowledge and kicked it to the curb when he couldn't control his libido and then further compounded his sin by faking a revelation and then dying without repenting.
Remember, whyme: God will not be mocked. And he certainly will not be mocked by a man so blessed, yet so flawed.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
harmony wrote:Joseph was murdered because God withdrew his protection from a man who had betrayed the sacred trust granted to him, and God allowed the death to occur by the hands of his enemies.
Remember, whyme: God will not be mocked. And he certainly will not be mocked by a man so blessed, yet so flawed.
And what about the early apostles such as Paul and Peter? I suppose that god withdrew his protection too. I wonder just what they did wrong? I think that you are barking up the wrong tree harmony.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
harmony wrote:Joseph was murdered because God withdrew his protection from a man who had betrayed the sacred trust granted to him, and God allowed the death to occur by the hands of his enemies.
Remember, whyme: God will not be mocked. And he certainly will not be mocked by a man so blessed, yet so flawed.
And what about the early apostles such as Paul and Peter? I suppose that god withdrew his protection too. I wonder just what they did wrong? I think that you are barking up the wrong tree harmony.
Joseph opened a dispensation, whyme. And he threw it away. You can't get around that, no matter how you try, because the facts are in evidence. You can finesse it, and try to pull red herrings across the discussion, but you can't get around what happened.
Joseph mocked God and God withdrew his protection, and then the mob murdered him.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
harmony wrote:God will not be mocked. Joseph will not play a part in any exaltation or evaluation of anyone in the hereafter. Joseph has joined his mentor, David, in hell, for the same crime of taking another man's wife, and will be exalted to the station he deserves... which is likely Outer Darkness, since he had pure knowledge and kicked it to the curb when he couldn't control his libido and then further compounded his sin by faking a revelation and then dying without repenting.
If that isn't evil speaking of the Lord's anointed, I don't know what is. I realize your opinion is based on gross ignorance and spiritual darkness, but you are still accountable for it. Indeed, God will not be mocked.
Nevo wrote:If that isn't evil speaking of the Lord's anointed, I don't know what is. I realize your opinion is based on gross ignorance and spiritual darkness, but you are still accountable for it. Indeed, God will not be mocked.
You are both, of course, entitled to be wrong. So am I. Brigham and company notwithstanding, we don't worship Joseph Smith. And some facts are simply undeniable, no matter how well obscured they are.
And yes, Daniel... I can still answer in the affirmative. It saddens me no end how it all turned out, but I believe it started out pure.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
I think that you are barking up the wrong tree harmony.