Thama-
Your candidness just made you easily my favorite apologist.
If this is the same “StructureCop” I have seen over the years on the FAIR/MAD board, he is anything but an apologist. Are you just being sarcastic?
harmony-
Obviously you've never frequented RfM or probably even the Foyer.
Yes, I have. They’re not adversarial at all. They don’t permit any contrary voices.
We strive for worthwhile discussion.
I’m sure that’s how you see it. But remember, I have followed this board on occasion. I think I know what goes on here. It’s more or less like the Foyer with the exception that the owners permit faithful LDS to defend themselves and the church. Still, I would bet that the ratio of believer to unbeliever is probably around 10 to 1.
there's those of us who are active TR holding, calling holding, tithing paying members who stubbornly refuse to walk in lockstep with the rest of the church.
I think I have a pretty good idea of what kind of a Mormon
you are.
Rockslider-
1. I believe Bruce R’s last conference talk dealt with the concept of one personally being in their own “garden of gethsemane”.
2. David B. Hait did a talk that spoke of a “panoramic vision” in his near death experience.
I think you’re confused about the meaning of calling and election made sure. I don’t think there are many people who would have considered the experiences described by Elders McConkie and Haight as accounts of their calling and election being made sure. I know I didn’t. I regarded it as nothing more than them having related a powerful revelatory experience that strengthened their testimony about the divinity of Christ.
Also I was taught about any persons calling and election sure … that it was Christ’s physically washing your feet that constituted the foundation of the 2nd anointing.
I have never been taught such a thing. Who taught this to you? And on what authority?
There are many/many examples that visions and personal “administrations” were common in the early church.
I think they are still as common as they were then, if not more so. I suppose it’s possible that people were more inclined to talk publicly about these sacred experiences in the early days of the church. More likely, people don’t talk about such things while they’re living, but write things down in their journals. Then, after they die, their posterity reads and reports on these things. So it gives the impression that nothing’s going on nowadays, but it used to. I don’t believe that is true.
