Racism in the LDS Church--Does it continue today?

[_just me]

Yeah, sitting around in an adult institute class last year and listening to grown adults talk about why black people were less righteous than white people was heartbreaking for me. Clearly, the church has not done enough to discourage racism. Kinda hard when racist beliefs are written into the scriptures and manuals.

Oh, and some of the reasons they came up with were that the sins of the fathers were upon the descendants and that it was encoded in their DNA. I wanted to throw up.

[_DrW]

(1) The Nehor was basically arguing in that other thread that the teaching is perfectly legitimate, reasonable, and non-racist.

He's right. Such counsel does not meet the definition of racism. And yes, I would counsel my children to look carefully at the social/cultural differences that might be present in an interracial relationship. I would teach them, for example, to steer well clear of those with NAACP/ghetto/Obama/Wright attitudes. But moving in various social circles as I do, I know there are also many blacks, rich and poor alike, who are not afflicted with that disease.

bcspace,

So let me get this straight.

You are saying that the President of the United States, who graduated from Harvard, was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review, and is clearly one of the most skilled and intelligent Presidents this country has seen in a long time, is infected with "NAACP/ghetto" disease?

And this after claiming that you are not a racist?

Really?

Your statement is extremely offensive and I suggest that you edit it before more questioning LDS faithful or investigators than already have see it and recognize it for what it really is.

As for me personally, I simply consider it par for the course coming from an individual who is as poorly educated, clearly delusional and hopelessly dogmatic as you appear on these boards.

[_ajax18]

It reminds me of a teacher in junior high school putting my sister on the spot, "Would you marry a black man?" "No," she replied. Than you're a racist. If racism means that I consider the persons race when I choose to marry or not marry them, than I suppose I'm a racist. I guess I might as well head to the white supremacy compound and stock up on ammunition because he's drawn the lines right there and I now fall on the racist side. That's the definition as I was taught it and obviously there is no room for people with beliefs like myself amongst the so called "non racists." I also believe that black people generally have longer limbs and can run faster and jump higher than white people. According to the definition of racism...

"Racism is the belief that there are inherent differences in people's traits and capacities which are entirely due to their race."

that makes me a racist as well. Just because it's true doesn't excuse me being racist because I happened to notice. Every mother in the world who tends to her own children before tending to other children is a racist and guilty of discriminating against people in need based on race because she cares for those most closely related to her first, namely her own children who share her genes. Every racist human behavior is just an extension of that selfish gene exerting it's influence. But a few people in power get to define to what extent and by whom it is permissible to discriminate based on race. There is no such thing as racism anymore than there is such a thing as Mormon doctrine.

[_ajax18]

You are saying that the President of the United States, who graduated from Harvard, was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review, and is clearly one of the most skilled and intelligent Presidents this country has seen in a long time, is infected with "NAACP/ghetto" disease?

Just because someone is talented and capable doesn't mean he must also be moral and just. There's nothing defective with the way Obama's brain works. We just aren't playing for the same team. When you strip it all away, it's really as simple as that. Everything else that is said is really nothing more than obfuscation and political maneuvering before arriving at the ultimate objective, which the selfish gene has long since determined.

[_moksha]

Well, it didn't take long for the mirror thread to get shut down on the other board.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/543 ... e__st__160

Don't they shut down almost every thread that makes them squirm a little? You still did a good job in bringing the board subject matter which needs examination. On that MAD thread you were personally attacked for being the messenger and the message received many denials. Situation Normal as they say in the military. ;-)

[_moksha]

Everything else that is said is really nothing more than obfuscation and political maneuvering before arriving at the ultimate objective, which the selfish gene has long since determined.

Are you speaking of the White Man's Burden or the way British Royal Family are into enemas?

[_ajax18]

Well I honestly didn't know the British royal family were into enemas. But for some reason it doesn't surprise me. It's not fair that all we have in America is a president to make fun of when Great Britain has a king, queen, and royal family.

[_consiglieri]

Don't they shut down almost every thread that makes them squirm a little? You still did a good job in bringing the board subject matter which needs examination. On that MAD thread you were personally attacked for being the messenger and the message received many denials. Situation Normal as they say in the military. ;-)

Thanks, Moksha!

What I thought interesting was when a self-described black new member of the Church showed up under the moniker, "ElijahWasAble."

Pahoran (and others) started sticking it to him for saying the manual quote was racist, and others were quite confident it was a sock puppet of yours truly.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_consiglieri]

So, to answer your question: yes, racism in the LDS church still continues today.

Thank you so much for sharing that sad, sad story, MsJack.

I have never been to BYU. I went to University of Texas at Austin undergrad and grad, but I always thought the campus newspaper was sort of supposed to rage against the machine a little.

I am guessing that is not the case with the Daily Universe.

It's a small universe, after all.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_MsJack]

I have never been to BYU. I went to University of Texas at Austin undergrad and grad, but I always thought the campus newspaper was sort of supposed to rage against the machine a little.

I am guessing that is not the case with the Daily Universe.

No way, Consig. The Daily Universe lives dangerous!