Experiences with Heavenly Mother

[_consiglieri]

And my thoughts were what???? Stringy beets?

I was thinking chopped liver.


;^)


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion, one thing that just doesn't make sense to me is the Mormon interpretation of Genesis 1:28.

God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

This is a blessing, not a commandment.

To your musings on exaltation....there is but One God, and no other. We are not punky gods in training.

Peace.

Looks like I am becoming more like a Catholic all the time and less like the LDS. I agree that there is but one God. My thoughts are not mere musings.

In college in the 70s I had a 3.8 GPA when the Spirit constrained me to quit. Within a couple of years I had done great things after being commanded and sent by personal revelation from God and was given to be a true apostle of Jesus Christ.

Afterwards I spent the next four years in full time study and research in the LDS Church Historical Library, unpaid, set upon solving dilemmas of LDS doctrine, like the Adam-God mess. I was 'given' to unfold from existing scripture a completely new LDS theology that resolves questions like:

1. Is there a Heavenly Mother?
2. Is exaltation truly the same as becoming a God?
3. How is Jesus Christ the Very Eternal Father?
4. Who is the father and and who is the mother of our spirit bodies?
5. If God is not our spirit body progenitor how can he be our Heavenly Father?
6. What was the organization of intelligence?
7. What are the four stages of creation Christ refers to in Doctrine and Covenants Section 29?
8. How does forming Adam of clay make sense, especially if he was already a resurrected being?
9. Why did Christ's resurrected body keep evidence of his death if all things are suppose to be perfect when resurrected?
10. Are Christ and Satan actually spirit brothers?
11. Is Christ our Elder Brother or the Eternal God?
12. What is the eternal round of God and is that different than moving from exaltation to exaltation?
13. Who exactly is the Holy Ghost?
14. What did Christ mean when he told the Jews 'what and if they should see him where he was before?'
15. Why is Christ in the express image of the Father?
16. How could Mary remain a virgin and be impregnated of God? (Was Brigham correct that God has sex with Mary?)
17. If Christ sits upon the very throne of power after it is moved to this planet as told of in The Book of Revelation then what happens to our Heavenly Father who is presently seated there?
18. What is the ultimate purpose of partaking of the sacrament? (From what did the notion of transubstantiation originate?)
19. Does reincarnation have an explanation by way of the Second Death?
20. How much time can pass between two verses of creation scripture?
21. Christ told us that he does all things by the word of his power, which are his commandments, how then could he be a sexual being?

These are just what I can pull off the top of my head this moment. You will note that I also agree with you that God is not a sexual being. Like I said. I do not throw out every Catholic notion of God. They used to be the only true church. How could they mess up every single thought? Unlike the LDS who never put it together from the beginning of the Restoration to today, the Catholic at least began right and had some Zion for a heritage.

[_madeleine]

Nightlion,

God gave to the Jews the prophets and law (an ancient reference to the Old Testament), in order to make them righteous. One obvious teaching in the Old Testament, is that the Jews were unable to become righteous on their own. So, God became man, and did for all of humanity what we cannot do for ourselves. We are made righteous in Jesus, with Jesus and through Jesus. Zion is established by Jesus Christ, and remains alive in Him today.

You might find this an interesting approach to Christianity:

http://hebrewcatholic.org/

Peace

[_zeezrom]

Frankly, I'm surprised that Mormons are so unwilling to incorporate HM into their worship of the Divine. They believe she exists. They believe she is one with the Father.

What is stopping us?

Is it fear of looking pagan/polytheistic?
Is it embarrassment of empowering the feminine supernatural ideas?

[_Buffalo]

Frankly, I'm surprised that Mormons are so unwilling to incorporate HM into their worship of the Divine. They believe she exists. They believe she is one with the Father.

What is stopping us?

Is it fear of looking pagan/polytheistic?
Is it embarrassment of empowering the feminine supernatural ideas?

Bingo. LDS leadership always strives to keep women submissive.

[_consiglieri]

Bingo. LDS leadership always strives to keep women submissive.

There is this niggling voice in the back of my mind that the LDS leadership is, in some sense, afraid of Heavenly Mother.


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Nightlion]

Nightlion,

God gave to the Jews the prophets and law (an ancient reference to the Old Testament), in order to make them righteous. One obvious teaching in the Old Testament, is that the Jews were unable to become righteous on their own. So, God became man, and did for all of humanity what we cannot do for ourselves. We are made righteous in Jesus, with Jesus and through Jesus. Zion is established by Jesus Christ, and remains alive in Him today.

You might find this an interesting approach to Christianity:

http://hebrewcatholic.org/

Peace

You may or may not be aware that when Old Testament saints were given a new heart from God, circumcised the foreskin of their heart, were no more counted the children of Belial, (the natural man who is an enemy to God) knew the Lord, were made prophets and were taught of God and such they were in fact born of God and made partakers of the Heavenly gift. Which was the same that we later called the good news of Jesus Christ. Even Moses would that all Israel became prophets. This is the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost which Old Testament saints called 'knowing the Lord.'

So the Jews or Hebrew nations were actually Christians before Christ. The ones who were given a heart to love God were. I do not suppose it will be long before Ancient Hebrew texts will be admitted which discuss Jesus Christ, the Messiah and his gospel and prophecies of his earth life.

[_zeezrom]

There is this niggling voice in the back of my mind that the LDS leadership is, in some sense, afraid of Heavenly Mother.


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

the niggling stopped for me a while ago. Now it is ringing loud and clear. And I still think there is a fear of looking pagan as well as fear of empowering women.

I mean really. How woul the Christian world react upon learning that Mormons worship a female God in addition to a male one? We are going back to the old days of Greece and beyond.

[_Nightlion]

Frankly, I'm surprised that Mormons are so unwilling to incorporate HM into their worship of the Divine. They believe she exists. They believe she is one with the Father.

What is stopping us?

Is it fear of looking pagan/polytheistic?
Is it embarrassment of empowering the feminine supernatural ideas?

Man. Get thee to The Apocalrock and behold the duality of God.



God was from all eternity without father and without mother having neither beginning of days or end of years. In other words he did not come by way of the seeds and does not have gender assignment accordingly. He kept a fullness of light and truth which is composed of what MUST specialize as either male or female when organized intelligence is added upon with seed bodies, spiritual and physical. Which specialization was rejected by Satan who would not be dimmed.

Christ never came by way of seeds. He would gather Israel together as a hen gathers HER chickens under HER wing. He suffered birthing pains of both conception and delivery of our becoming the sons and daughters of God in the atonement. And the Christ figure nurtures us and heals us and binds up our wounds and is afflicted for us. All this magnifies the duality of God in that a fulness of both the masculine and feminine powers abide in the mind of God.

Thus is the thunderous revelation of new doctrine shouted out to the entire world at once from the faces of God cut out of the mountain without hands. That ye may wonder.

[_madeleine]

Nightlion,

God gave to the Jews the prophets and law (an ancient reference to the Old Testament), in order to make them righteous. One obvious teaching in the Old Testament, is that the Jews were unable to become righteous on their own. So, God became man, and did for all of humanity what we cannot do for ourselves. We are made righteous in Jesus, with Jesus and through Jesus. Zion is established by Jesus Christ, and remains alive in Him today.

You might find this an interesting approach to Christianity:

http://hebrewcatholic.org/

Peace

You may or may not be aware that when Old Testament saints were given a new heart from God, circumcised the foreskin of their heart, were no more counted the children of Belial, (the natural man who is an enemy to God) knew the Lord, were made prophets and were taught of God and such they were in fact born of God and made partakers of the Heavenly gift. Which was the same that we later called the good news of Jesus Christ. Even Moses would that all Israel became prophets. This is the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost which Old Testament saints called 'knowing the Lord.'

So the Jews or Hebrew nations were actually Christians before Christ. The ones who were given a heart to love God were. I do not suppose it will be long before Ancient Hebrew texts will be admitted which discuss Jesus Christ, the Messiah and his gospel and prophecies of his earth life.

I agree the Jews are the chosen people (still are, their covenant with God remains in effect). Christian roots are in Judaism, they are our elder brothers.

But, the Jews are not Christians. I've heard Mormons say this before but it is a very odd view of people who have absolutely rejected Jesus as the Messiah. A Christian is one who follows Jesus Christ.

However, I can agree with your approach in the broader sense of Salvation history. In this, the communal aspect of Salvation is very real and profound. I never see the sense of Salvation history in Mormonism, it has been replaced by an idea of a cycle of "apostasy and restoration".

The basics of Salvation history being, God made first a covenant of grace between one man and woman, Adam and Eve. This covenant was then expanded to a family, that of Noah's. Expanded again with Abraham and Moses, in covenants for a people. Expanded once again with David, a covenant for a kingdom.

All of Salvation history leads to and is achieved in the New And Everlasting Covenant, Jesus Christ, who is God's Salvation extended to all of humanity.

In this we can also see, God builds on our nature, of whom He is the Creator.

Peace.