Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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Re: Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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Kevin Graham wrote:William has indeed become irrelevant.


William has always been irrelevant. His only redeeming feature to Mormon apologists is that he conveniently provided a shell game which inadvertently took the heat off the relevant apologists who have to defend the Book of Abraham.
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Aristotle Smith wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:William has indeed become irrelevant.


William has always been irrelevant. His only redeeming feature to Mormon apologists is that he conveniently provided a shell game which inadvertently took the heat off the relevant apologists who have to defend the Book of Abraham.


Yes, and how telling is it that the primary scholar who was charged with the task of providing a defense for the KEP/Book of Abraham - the same guy whose coat tails Schryver had been riding for so long - is the same guy responsible for nuking Will's chances of ever being taken seriously by academia?
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liz3564 wrote:
Just to be clear...even though Don is not the main author, his contribution appears in this book?


Yep. And you can get a good preview of it via Amazon's "Look Inside" feature, too.
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Re: Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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Kevin Graham wrote:Yes, and how telling is it that the primary scholar who was charged with the task of providing a defense for the KEP/Book of Abraham - the same guy whose coat tails Schryver had been riding for so long - is the same guy responsible for nuking Will's chances of ever being taken seriously by academia?


I think at this point, either consciously or unconsciously, apologists have decided that there is no possible way to make the Book of Abraham come out looking like a winner. The only way to deal with it is to manage the problem as a long term problem. And by manage I mean take a frank look at assets and liabilities, just like any accountant or CFO would do.

Up until the MsJack's thread William's assets outweighed his liabilities, or at least they could pretend they did. That thread showed how many liabilities Wilbur brought to the table. They finally realized the liabilities outweighed the assets, and they cut him off. Nothing personal, just managing the problem.
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Re: Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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onandagus wrote:I'm not aware of who is or isn't a sock puppet of whom. I didn't and don't assume that Nomad is Will, and the idea didn't occur to me in the discussion.


Hi there, Don. I personally can't say for certain whether or no "Nomad" is a Will Schryver sockpuppet, but a lot of people believe that's the case. And given's Will's penchant for paranoia and revenge fantasies (cf. his attempt to blame Bokovoy for trying to undermine his work w/ the M.I.), you may want to be aware of this well-founded suspicion.

The point of my post wasn't to offend either Will or any staunch supporter. Far from it. I understand from previous posts by Will that he accepts that the evidence presented in his presentation alone, without the complete arguments of his to-be-published piece, haven't persuaded all of his fellow saints, and that this is okay. He only expects them to all be won over by the full paper.


Hmmm. Maybe so. Regardless, I thought Nomad's reaction to your remarks was over-the-top. It was, shall we say, Midgley-esque in its outrage.
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Re: Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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Wrong thread somehow?????????
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Re: Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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Anyone hear Don's presentation? How/what was it? I'm interested but wasn't about to pony up the dough for the conference.

Anyone? Anyone?.......
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Re: Don Bradley Dares to Challenge Will Schryver

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badseed wrote:Anyone hear Don's presentation? How/what was it? I'm interested but wasn't about to pony up the dough for the conference.

Anyone? Anyone?.......


I'm not sure why this thread got resurrected.

There's a lot of discussion on the presentation on the Celestial board, and also over at Mormon Dialogue.

The presentation itself should be put online by FAIR, but I really don't know how long this takes.

Thanks for your interest.

Don
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