Joseph wrote:how is the hinksters talk any different from other similar talks through the years. They were saying that stuff over the pulpet in the 1960's.
Revelations? yeah, sure...
How is this thread different from any of your other asinine threads?
Remember how you once posited that the church hates Linux?
Yup. It was good advice, but not prophetic. Hinkley even tried totell people he was not prophesying, but some memebers like yourself don't listen. Nothing in what he said was also not known already. This last recession was also predicted by many who warned, even if the church did not, that things needed to change in order to aviod what happened. I don't blame the church since that is not what they are about.
1 Iron wrote:In October 1998, President Hinckley gave a talk in conference that, if heeded, would have changed the world for many, many people. You can watch it here: Prepare a House of Order
We are today in the years of famine. President Hinkley was right; while he did not predict a literal famine, he told us it was time to take advantage of the years of plenty to get out of debt and get our houses in order. Sadly most of us did not take him as seriously as we should have.
But was that talk doctrinal? BC Space?
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Lots of people it seems, predict that the end of the world is coming.
When it happens will that make them all Prophets?
Every weekend millions of people predict the lottery numbers.
When one of them predicts correctly does that make them a Prophet?
When Brigham Young publicly said this: How long is that race to endure the dreadful curse that is upon them? That curse will remain upon them, [p.291] and they never can hold the Priesthood or share in it until all the other descendants of Adam have received the promises and enjoyed the blessings of the Priesthood and the keys thereof. Until the last ones of the residue of Adam’s children are brought up to that favourable position, the children of Cain cannot receive the first ordinances of the Priesthood. They were the first that were cursed, and they will be the last from whom the curse will be removed.When the residue of the family of Adam come up and receive their blessings, then the curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will receive blessings in like proportion. “- JoD 7:290-291 (October 9, 1859)
Did that make him a Prophet?
'Church pictures are not always accurate' (The Nehor May 4th 2011)
Morality is doing what is right, regardless of what you are told. Religion is doing what you are told, regardless of what is right.
Buffalo wrote: Let's see, 1998. We had a bit of a recession three years later (9/11). Then we had another recession almost 10 years later, but it lasted a year and a half. It doesn't really match up the 7/7 model.
Like any good financial adviser, Hinckley recommended that individuals avoid unnecessary debt. I'm not sure that sound financial advice really counts as "prophecy" though. Especially when apparently the church lost a lot of money in the last recession on its investments.
That's okay, though. Like all modern prophets, he avoided making bold prophetic statement.
"I am not prophesying, I am not predicting"
I believe that boldness is reserved for crying repentance. Prophecy that is for our benefit contingent on obedience is generally given as counsel.
Looking to the words of prophets as signs shows us to be, in the words of Joseph Smith and Christ, "a wicked and adulterous generation."
What he said we should avoid, we should have avoided. What he said we should have done, we should have done.
It is what it is.
Oh, it used to be that prophets of the church made very bold prophecies. Joseph Smith and Brigham Young did it all the time. The trouble was none of it ever seemed to come true. That's why modern prophets don't say anything that you can nail to the wall. They leave it vague, like fortune tellers and astrologers do. If it's vague enough, you can apply it to anything.
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