A Poster's Weak Faith Damaged by another Poster?

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Re: A Poster's Weak Faith Damaged by another Poster?

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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Pah has done more, save Daniel C. Peterson only, for the awakening of men in this world to the truth of mormonsim, than any other mo'pologist that ever talked down to a questioning member. In the short space of ten years, he has brought about the release of hundreds perhaps thousands from the lies of the Book of Mormon and death grip of LDS Inc.


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Polygamy-Porter wrote:Pah has done more, save Daniel C. Peterson only, for the awakening of men in this world to the truth of mormonsim, than any other mo'pologist that ever talked down to a questioning member. In the short space of ten years, he has brought about the release of hundreds perhaps thousands from the lies of the Book of Mormon and death grip of LDS Inc.


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why me wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Pah has done more, save Daniel C. Peterson only, for the awakening of men in this world to the truth of mormonsim, than any other mo'pologist that ever talked down to a questioning member. In the short space of ten years, he has brought about the release of hundreds perhaps thousands from the lies of the Book of Mormon and death grip of LDS Inc.


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LDSToronto wrote:I don't claim that Pahoran is "solely responsible" for me leaving the Church. What I said was: "Some of the things you've said to me have strengthened my resolve to move further away from the church."

H.

Okay. Here are the dictionary definitions of "resolve" as a noun that I found:

1. Firmness of purpose; resolution.
2. A determination or decision; a fixed purpose.

So, according to you, you already had a "fixed purpose," a "determination or decision" made in advance, which I merely "strengthened."

Again, I ask: how much longer would you have stayed close to the Church if you'd never argued with me?

Am I really that much more influential with you than your real-life family and friends? Really?

Are none of your in real life relationships strong enough to assuage your hurt feelings because an anonymous internet poster says things you don't like?

If that's the case, then all I can say is "Oh dear."

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harmony wrote:Well, geez. Surely Pahoran can't be held up as a good example of an LDS member. He can't even be held up as a good example of an LDS apologist. It's certainly not Pahoran's fault Joseph dropped his prophetic mantle the instant he dropped his pants for Fanny. I mean, really.

And another WAZinger from WAZing!

While we're all handing out unsolicited advice: when discussing the Lord's anointed servants, you really must try to rein in your jealousy and spite. They have increasingly become the dominant features of your posting.

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Kishkumen wrote:I considered leaving when I found out that Hitler was baptized, but then I discovered that he only did it for the baseball.


Damn, they give you a baseball when you get baptized?
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liz3564 wrote:I don't think it's really meant to be a guilt tactic, Simon. I think that we, as Latter-Day Saints, do have a huge responsibility to each other. If someone is wavering in faith, and they take notice of a fellow Saint not demonstrating Christ-like behavior, and further, expelling that energy by tearing down a struggling Saint, what type of message does that send?

Notice that I said we, Simon.

I have been guilty of this, too. I wholeheartedly admit that I was rude to Bob a few years ago, and my comment to him was way over the line.

I have sincerely attempted to change my behavior.

What saddens me about Pahoran is that he really does have a lot of doctrinal knowledge. If he could communicate that knowledge, but leave out the hate, I think that a lot more critics would actually listen to what he had to say. I also think that he would gain respect from those who are struggling and questioning. That seems like a much better way to defend the Church, and maybe even accomplish missionary work in the process.

I've mentioned this to Pahoran before, but he has made no comment.

You asked me to comment on this. Had you not done so, I would have kept my own counsel.

I have read your post. I note your opinion.

Since you asked: I have never for a second believed that LDSToronto was a "struggling Saint." Rather, my impression of him from the first time I noticed him was that he was an outright non-believer who was hostile to everything the Church stood for, especially regarding its public stand on moral issues. I saw him undermining and back-stabbing the Church's leaders at every opportunity. I have observed no "change" in this.

He never presented as "questioning" or open to explanations or persuasion. He presented from the first as openly proselyting for his views, in opposition to the Church's actual positions.

As I said: had you not asked, I would have kept my own counsel. Sometimes, Liz, it is best not to ask.

Now if you'll all excuse me, I think I'll go and get a good night's sleep.

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Well, geez. Surely Pahoran can't be held up as a good example of an LDS member. He can't even be held up as a good example of an LDS apologist. It's certainly not Pahoran's fault Joseph dropped his prophetic mantle the instant he dropped his pants for Fanny. I mean, really.


I think LDS Toronto's avatar depicting a known homosexual predator shows exactly where his disagreement with the Church lies. He was gone long before he began accepting unsubstantiated rumors regarding Fanny Alger.
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I may be misreading this but I think that LDST is leaving the Church because he see's that it isn't what it claims to be, he see's it isn't true.
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