Are Mormons plain belly sneetches of the Republican party

[_sanjara]

Opposition in all things. Excommunicate them or deny TR unless they repent. Being LDS is an esoteric privilege and they do not meet the requirements as far as their political lives are concerned being in opposition to the Church. However, there is also the notion of allowing the wheat and the tares to grow together which is what is happening now.

When I give a TR interview, I generally don't consider such things because I've not been directed to. However, if someone like Harry Reid or a supporter of planned parenthood for example were in my jurisdiction, I would deny TR.

See what I mean. BCs apostate political posturing on display for all to see. He even confesses that he has been directed (presumably by someone in authority over him) to drop to political litmus test. Yet he continues to blather on in his pet (false) dogma that an LDS person who is a democrat is in rebellion against the church. Totally false. Some of the finest LDS leaders I have known are democrats. The embody Christ like attributes far above those I see lacking in BCs spiritual immaturity. I think he should be denied a temple recommend for his hard line approach on this issue. He is in open rebellion of those he claims to sustain.

I now agree with you Jason that resistance is futile.

[_DarkHelmet]

And what do you do with all the LDS Democrats?

Opposition in all things. Excommunicate them or deny TR unless they repent.

Are you willing to publicly call for the excommunication of Marlin K. Jensen unless he repents?

[_bcspace]

It's a good thing there are no Democrats among the GAs.

A very good thing.
lol

[_bcspace]

Are you willing to publicly call for the excommunication of Marlin K. Jensen unless he repents?

I notice the Church didn't support his 1999 (If I recall correctly) statements and that they were not doctrinal. But yes, I would not hesitate to call out a Democrat GA in a political situation or if he was in a religious setting and I was there. I might start by asking what LDS doctrine was on some of the aforementioned issues and I guarantee you we would come to a conservative conclusion.

[_Buffalo]

For example, the right wing attempts to restore prayer in school and to repeal pro-gay marriage laws are examples of reactionary positions

Define prayer in school. It's always good to return from detrimental and de-evolutionary positions. Just because such laws are in place, doesn't mean they're right or appropriate.

Definition for prayer in school: praying in school.

It's just possible that homosexuality is an evolved trait, possibly as a means of nurturing children abandoned by douchebag heterosexuals.

[_Jason Bourne]

BC. The proof of what I pin on youis in this thread. You said above you would ex LDS Democrats, that you have been told not to ask such question in TR interviews ans we crow about how you would call out GAs who are democrats.

[_Buffalo]

What is wrong with comparing LDS doctrine with one's actions to determine the rightness or wrongness of such? I think even Buffalo would agree that a pro-gay marriage stance is in opposition to the Church. The same holds true with a socialist or entitlement stance or an abortion as a general method of birth control stance.

Indeed, I agree that being pro-gay marriage is out of harmony with the position of the LDS church. I would propose that the church immediately excommunicate all liberals and anyone in favor of gay marriage, and likewise other members of intelligence and compassion. Let's leave the LDS church to the Droopys and the Wades and the bcspaces and the Schyvers.

[_DarkHelmet]

Are you willing to publicly call for the excommunication of Marlin K. Jensen unless he repents?

I notice the Church didn't support his 1999 (If I recall correctly) statements and that they were not doctrinal. But yes, I would not hesitate to call out a Democrat GA in a political situation or if he was in a religious setting and I was there. I might start by asking what LDS doctrine was on some of the aforementioned issues and I guarantee you we would come to a conservative conclusion.

Call out a GA? Does that mean you would call for their excommunication? Would you tell them to turn in their temple recommends until they repent? According to you, James E Faust was not worthy to carry a TR. Would you have confronted him and demanded he repent?

[Guest]

Why do Mormons want to be accepted into the GOP so badly?

Currently the Religious Right/Far Right is dictating the positions of the GOP. Many of those positions (anti-choice, anti-women, homophobic, etc) are right in line with Mormon positions so it's a natural place for the Mormon church to position itself, especially if it will yield political power to the Church organization. In addition the Christian Right isn't going away anytime soon, so the Mormon church will continue to cuddle up to them. It might take decades (or centuries) but eventually the LDS Church will leech into the Christian Right. Look for it sooner rather than later as the homophobic/misogynistic positions of far right groups become less mainstream and the Christian Right sects unwilling to change look for allies.

And why is the GOP so desperate to find anyone but Mitt to be their nominee?

Because all the candidates are awful and/or they have tons of negative history. Newt and Mitt (and now Ron Paul) are being raked over the coals for things they've said in their past. Bachmann/Santorum/Perry are idiots who sound like inbred yokels. All of these GOP debates have proven one thing, this crop of candidates is terrible.

[Guest]

I think all of you would answer these questions the same way I would:

1. Would a good Mormon vote for a candidate or support a party in which 90-100% of the positions in which the LDS Church has doctrine were in opposition to that doctrine?

Answer: No.

2 Would a good Mormon vote for a candidate none of whose stated positions were in opposition to LDS doctrine but yet upheld a party leadership who favored positions that were again 90-100% in opposition to LDS doctrine.

Answer: No.

Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

Q.E.D.

I would propose that the church immediately excommunicate all liberals and anyone in favor of gay marriage, and likewise other members of intelligence and compassion

Who said gay marriage had anything to do with intelligence and compassion? There is nothing preventing gays from marrying in any state by the way.

BC. The proof of what I pin on youis in this thread. You said above you would ex LDS Democrats,

That is the usual remedy for those who oppose the Church yes.

that you have been told not to ask such question in TR interviews

I have never been told this. I ask the actual official question which I have quoted above and which damns all Democrats because it relegates them to lying or ignorance (as in a man cannot by saved in ignorance).

we crow about how you would call out GAs who are democrats.

I simply answered the question of what I would do. You're the one who is starting to sound more shrill than any bird. I once thought you were intellectually honest but you apparently are not because you're unwilling to compare LDS doctrine with political position like most of the rest. Only Buffalo has been honest in the midst of his crappulence.