Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

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Re: Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

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ldsfaqs wrote:LDS scholars don't betray their professionalism, ethics, and ignore important facts in order to make their conclusions...


No, sadly, sometimes this has been the case. And you can find plenty of sound LDS scholars who will agree.

ldsfaqs wrote: Not a single person that I know of generally "literally" believes their Patriarchal Blessing is "literal" in it's lineage expounding.


Every friend of mine who received a Patriarchal Blessing literally believed it to be literal. In ever sense of the word literal.

ldsfaqs wrote:Yet, YOU slim....


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Re: Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

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ldsfaqs wrote:Hey Southerton....

You claim yourself an "expert" yet you entirely ignore the fact that Lehi's DNA through Genetic Drift WOULD in fact ultimately be in nearly every single Native American, Islander, etc.

As such an "expert" in your field, I further don't know why you think that simply because you know someones "dominant" DNA, that you then know every single ancestor of that person, when in actual fact you don't. Your bigotry and bias betray's you, and you become no longer a professional in your field by your anti-mormonism, thus becoming instead simply a "quack", the very thing you all accuse LDS professionals of.

LDS scholars don't betray their professionalism, ethics, and ignore important facts in order to make their conclusions, but you anti-mormons certainly do.

Even more importantly, you entirely ignore the SPIRITUAL lineage that is the lineage the Church most oftens teaches, not a "literal" one. Not a single person that I know of generally "literally" believes their Patriarchal Blessing is "literal" in it's lineage expounding. Yet, YOU slim would have us believe that the Prophets have always meant "literal" when teaching Natives of the America's about their lineage and heritage.

I laughed when Murphy DNA came out, to his face even..... Because I had long already understood what the Book of Mormon in full and actually taught, and also the contexts of our leaders teachings. Even further, the sciences had long already contested this issue, and the answers were the same then.... DNA didn't change a single thing, except for being a "new spin" on an old anti-mormon claim.


LOL you have to be one of the worst apologists I have seen. It might help if you don't try to argue for two opposing things in the same post. At least break them up into different threads.

by the way The church has taught consistently that Polynesians and native Americans are direct descendants of Lehi. It's important to look at these things as a whole and not how apologists like to in a bubble. The church still teaches as doctrine a global flood. As such no one would have been living in the Americas when the Jaredites arrived, and the Book of Mormon claims they were all destroyed. So yes the church has always taught that Native Americans are the literal and principle descendants of Lehi. It's only recently that they have backed off just a little on the principle ancestor by removing it from current copies of the Book of Mormon. The problem here is that according to LDS doctrine they would still have to be principle ancestors, and the Book of Mormon certainly supports it.
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You can not call LDS apoligetics science. When the conclusion is drawn before the test, it is not science.
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Re: Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

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Polynesians are a combination of Fijians who are very large Melanesians and Ruyukans (related to Japanese) and the original inhabitants of Taiwan (before the Chinese settled the island). There have no Jewish or Semitic lineage whatever.
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SteelHead wrote:What do feelings at baptism and reasons for being baptized have to do with repeated claims that the Polynesians are descendant from Lehi without an ounce of archaeological or genetic support?

The glory of god is intelligence, now remember the warm fuzzies, turn off your mind and believe in the face of a staggering amount of evidence to the contrary.


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why me wrote: It is a genuine burning of truth felt deep from within.



So are acid reflux, and heartburn but I don't base my life decisions on overactive gastrointestinal juices.
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Daheshist wrote:Polynesians are a combination of Fijians who are very large Melanesians and Ruyukans (related to Japanese) and the original inhabitants of Taiwan (before the Chinese settled the island). There have no Jewish or Semitic lineage whatever.

Daheshist, you're obviously trying to make a larger contribution to this board.
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I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.
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bcspace wrote:I usually think of the Jaredites as Asians or having picked them up along the way, but then again, I don't assume that the Americas were unpopulated when they or Lehi came here.


Maybe you don't, but the Book of Mormon does (at least as interpreted by the apostles and not the apologists).
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Re: Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?

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"Is Lehi the father of the Polynesians?"
According to the 12th President of the LDS Church, The Answer to that Question is Yes.
The Following is From the 12th President of the LDS Church, Spencer W. Kimball:


With pride I tell those who come to my office that a Lamanite is a descendant of one Lehi who left Jerusalem six hundred years before Christ and with his family crossed the mighty deep and landed in America. And Lehi and his family became the ancestors of all of the Indian and Mestizo tribes in North and South and Central America and in the islands of the sea, for in the middle of their history there were those who left America in ships of their making and went to the islands of the sea.
Not until the revelations of Joseph Smith, bringing forth the Book of Mormon, did any one know of these migrants. It was not known before, but now the question is fully answered. Now the Lamanites number about sixty million; they are in all of the states of America from Tierra del Fuego all the way up to Point Barrows, and they are in nearly all the islands of the sea from Hawaii south to southern New Zealand. The Church is deeply interested in all Lamanites because of these revelations and because of this great Book of Mormon, their history that was written on plates of gold and deposited in the hill. The translation by the Prophet Joseph Smith revealed a running history for one thousand years—six hundred years before Christ until four hundred after Christ—a history of these great people who occupied this land for that thousand years. Then for the next fourteen hundred years, they lost much of their high culture. The descendants of this mighty people were called Indians by Columbus in 1492 when he found them here.
The term Lamanite includes all Indians and Indian mixtures, such as the Polynesians, the Guatemalans, the Peruvians, as well as the Sioux, the Apache, the Mohawk, the Navajo, and others. It is a large group of great people.



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