Scriptures of Ten Tribes Found in Barn Loft Saturday

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consiglieri wrote:
Well, what if a large portion of additional scripture has already been revealed in Greek mythology and lies in libraries, largely as unread as the standard works. Might such Greek scripture be considered both old and new? Old in that they have existed for thousands of years and new in that they are just now being recognized for what they have been all along—the scripture God revealed to the Greeks.



I like this. I've been particularly curious about my conception of 'myth' recently. Let me explain and relate. Perhaps it could add to the discussion.

Normally I regard a myth as a made up story. Like a legend or fairy tale. I judge it by how literal the story might be.

A recently read quote excited my thoughts to this view of myth:

Myth is the instant vision of a complex process that ordinarily extends over a long period. Myth is contraction or implosion of any process...


It defines myth by its purpose and use rather than the vehicle by which it is delivered, without regard to how accurately the entire process is recounted.

I think it ties to this discussion, in a way. Most scriptural stories are delivered 'mythically' in the sense of the latter definition. The attempt is to teach a lesson so we can learn from other's experience or to help us moralize our actions in a Christian (or other) manner. It appears that Greek mythology attempts the same.

I've always felt that reading good books often impact me in a similar manner to when I read scriptures. It has crossed my mind and tongue often of how Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn, and more recently Marshall McLuhan, are scripture to me.

Anyways, I found the second explanation of what myth does extremely useful to broaden my idea of scriptures. It allows me to better appreciate the useful purpose of scriptures and language. In the end real experience supersedes myth but some experience and cycles take more than a lifetime to learn, so scriptural myths, the collected wisdom of many many generations, become useful for anticipating how our actions and decisions, whose results will play out well past our lifetimes, might play out.

For the prophesying (predictive) and revelatory side of the scriptures I'm a little more hesitant to broaden my acceptance. I've found the most expansive picture of the premortal and postmortal world in LDS scriptures. As for prophesies about how the millenium will transpire and how Christ will come - I'm not sure I care that much. It will happen however it happens, whether the accounts in the scriptures are literal or mythologized.

I'll probably connect scripture outside the standard works to the 10 tribes from henceforth :) I think that is on the right track.
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Sethbag wrote:I think what you guys are seeing is chaotic attractors in the way human beings think. The LDS mythology and greek mythology end up crossing paths intellectually not because they are directly related to each other (not that they aren't, but I don't think the point has been demonstrated), but because they both arise from the same tendency of the human mind, and as such would be related similarly to all other such mythological tendencies in other human cultures as well.

For the record, I don't feel there is any intentional connection between Mormonism and Greek mythology. What I see is a reflection of a believing fanatic (Joseph Smith) in myself. The other aspect is the pure joy I find in the discovery of the romantic stories I glossed over as a child.
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Although the Greek gods and the Mormon god(s) are both anthropomorphic, and there are clear parallels, I do not intend on exploring that any further than a brief expostulation on Pandora's Box. Somebody else can do it, like Zeez or Kish. For God's sake, I cannot cover everything!!

I do believe that Mormonism was partially constructed on everything that Christianity discarded in its sorting process in the first 300 years. Thus the "apostasy."
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quaker wrote:I've always felt that reading good books often impact me in a similar manner to when I read scriptures. It has crossed my mind and tongue often of how Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn, and more recently Marshall McLuhan, are scripture to me.



Interesting thoughts!

I would personally add Shakespeare to that list. But one person's scripture is another person's fiddle faddle.

And it may be worth commenting here that Section 88 expands God-approved learning of wisdom beyond the scriptures to a somewhat vague category called the "best books."

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MCB wrote:I do believe that Mormonism was partially constructed on everything that Christianity discarded in its sorting process in the first 300 years. Thus the "apostasy."


Would not the corrolary of this be that Mormonism is in fact a restoration of early "discarded" Christianity?

I'm not trying to play "gotcha" here, but it does sound like the same thing to me.

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I also need to say that our Mormon world would do well to have more Consig-minded folks in its lay membership, leadership, and in apologetics.

Here's to putting exploration back into religion!
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consiglieri wrote:Would not the corollary of this be that Mormonism is in fact a restoration of early "discarded" Christianity?

I'm not trying to play "gotcha" here, but it does sound like the same thing to me.

All the Best!

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MCB wrote:This is the fundamental disagreement. No need to argue about it.


You are at the top of the list of people I wouldn't want to get into an argument with, MCB. ;^)

All the Best!

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zeezrom wrote:Here's to putting exploration back into religion!


I think there may be a lot out there to discover if we only go out and look for it.

It reminds me of a Sherlock Holmes story (The Adventure of the Dancing Men?) where the local constable is astounded Holmes managed to find a bullet hole in a room where a murder had occurred.

"How on earth did you see that?" asks the constable.

"Because I looked for it!" booms Holmes.

All the Best!

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Consig, here's the passage I mentioned earlier. It is an evocative reading of the thematic arc in the Book of Mormon and one which interests me very much. What do you think of it?

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