Exposing LDS Church Safeguards in FamilySearch.org

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Re: Exposing LDS Church Safeguards in FamilySearch.org

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zeezrom wrote:LDS needs to have an interview with the bishop to start the repentance process.

1. Step 1: feel godly sorrow for the mistake you made
2. Step 2: be honest and confess to doing wrong
3. Step 3: ask for forgiveness
4. Step 4: rectify the problems caused by your mistake
5. Step 5: forsake the sin
6. Step 6: recieve forgiveness



If he does step three twice can he skip step four? Maybe there is a flaw in the system that can be exploited.
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I've concluded that the safeguard consists solely of an old man in a quiet room kneeling and praying that it won't happen again.

This safeguard has been continually in use, unsuccessfully, since 1996...
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Lovely job, LDST. I see John Dehlin and Sandra Tanner have linked to your site from Facebook. I hope this information gets spread far and wide!
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Clarification: LDS = the Mormon church organization and its leadership.

Not to be confused with the OP author.

:)
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Well done, LDST.

As one realizes more and more often lately with regard to the LDS Church under scrutiny:

You just can't make this stuff up.
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Morley wrote:I admit that I'm stunned. Thanks, LDST.


I would be more stunned if there actually were safeguards.
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zeezrom wrote:LDS needs to have an interview with the bishop to start the repentance process.

1. Step 1: feel godly sorrow for the mistake you made
2. Step 2: be honest and confess to doing wrong
3. Step 3: ask for forgiveness
4. Step 4: rectify the problems caused by your mistake
5. Step 5: forsake the sin
6. Step 6: recieve forgiveness


I didn't make a mistake. Ergo, no repentance required.

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zeezrom wrote:Clarification: LDS = the Mormon church organization and its leadership.

Not to be confused with the OP author.

:)


LOL - gotcha - I still didn't make a mistake, everything I did was intentional.

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I remember meeting with a guy who desired to do the temple work for someone dead for which the rules would be broken if done. Advice was given to him by his Bishop. The advice was to reserve the name but before doing any temple work for this deceased person to submit the name to the prayer-roll of the temple.

The Bishop stated that if he did this, along with praying, fasting and listening intently to what may be the desires of the deceased person, he would know what to do. I am assuming that the guy went through this and probably received a spiritual confirmation that the act of saving souls beyond the veil is much more important than abiding by a rule that would deny it.
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Nice investigative reporting, LDST! President Press E. Release is caught with his pants down again.
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