Arizona bans funding of Planned Parenthood

[_bcspace]

Ah yes, the old canard that anyone opposed to homosexuality must themselves be homosexual. A common left wing smear tactic.

I think we all must assume that by now, neither Tarski or Kish has anything gainsay the information that stopp.org provides.

[_Droopy]

Ah yes, the old canard that anyone opposed to homosexuality must themselves be homosexual. A common left wing smear tactic.

So common, in fact, that its been used against me for most of this year, primarily by Bluffalo and Paul.

Shakespeare was also black, and Jesus was a communist, by the way (or was it that Jesus was black, and Shakespeare was a dead white European phallocentric male capitalist oppressor? Hard to keep track of all that...).

[_bcspace]

Jesus Christ gave us the LoC whose fundamental principle is private property and can only function under free market capitalism.

[_Droopy]

Jesus Christ gave us the LoC whose fundamental principle is private property and can only function under free market capitalism.

The steel cage match is about to begin...

[_Tarski]

If you are curious, what Droopy is reporting is a ridiculous lie that's been swirling around the fundamentalist community for a few years:
Will Droopy apologize for repeating a defamatory lie?

Not only a lie, but one with far reaching malicious effect. The worst kind.
He doesn't really believe in hell and all that. Otherwise;

"Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell".
-2 Nephi chapter 9

[_Brackite]

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23641

[_Tarski]

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23641

do you have a point?

[_Brackite]

http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=23641

do you have a point?

Just Pointing out that while the OP believes that the death penalty is barbaric, he has no problem with abortions being legalized and paid for.

[_ludwigm]

Jesus Christ gave us the LoC whose fundamental principle is private property and can only function under free market capitalism.

Unfortunately in the Bible there is no such word as property and capitalism. You know, as far as it is translated...

In D&C, yes. 32 times the "property".
38:36 govern the affairs of the property of this church
42:32 the consecration of the properties of my church
42:33 properties in the hands of the church
42:71 the property which is consecrated to the bishop
82:18 the common property of the whole church
104:1 all the properties which belong to the order which I commanded to be organized and established, to be a united order, and an everlasting order for the benefit of my church (the most beautiful one...)
104:85 the properties which I have put into your hands
132:57 let not my servant Joseph put his property out of his hands
... and near the whole broker/D&C 124, about "to build a house to my name", "let my servant Joseph and his house have place therein, from generation to generation" with details as "they shall not be permitted to receive over fifteen thousand dollars ... under fifty dollars for a share of stock"

An echte American god, I can say.



The invention of "the church".


That Wulffmorgenthalers are apparently antimormons.
Everything touched by Wulffmorgenthaler turns into gold - or it withers or turns greasy - or it runs away screaming!


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Capitalism, ehm...

18. And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
19. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
20. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
21. And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
22. Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
23. And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.
24. And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!
25. For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

[_Tarski]

Just Pointing out that while the OP believes that the death penalty is barbaric, he has no problem with abortions being legalized and paid for.

I have no problem with it either.
Part of the reason is that I understand that personhood is not a matter of either the presence or absence of a so called "spirit" on the one hand, or purely a matter of gene content or some other biological reduction that would apply to a 3 week old fetus.
The road to personhood is a continuum but key considerations include things like being self-aware, having hopes, desires, thoughts, fears etc. We are mostly socially constructed beings and emerge only by taking our place in a network of "others" (at first mainly the mother). We are not bags of DNA, nor even bags of DNA with some fairy dust added in.

Again, the road to personhood is a continuum and we should certainly err on the younger side for a margin of safety but the absolutist position of anti-abortionists is untenable and ultimatley harmful.

If we are going to go by intuition, then I think the best intuitions come from real women faced with the unwanted pregnancy rather than self-righteous old white men poisoned by ancient magic based conceptual schemes about the nature of human life.

In short, in the contest between an unwanted three or four week old fetus and a full grown adult in a hopelessly tough situation, it is no contest. You may think this is monstrous, but that is only because you have a cartoonical and/or superstitious concept of personhood and because you haven't real life experience to know what you are talking about. My wife had an abortion before we met and given the intractable circumstances I say thank God.