Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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Re: Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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Speaking of which, the change of editorship is now official.

http://maxwellinstitute.BYU.edu/news/in ... &type=news

Hamblin's response: "I note, for the record, that none of the editors except Dan has had any direct communication with Bradford about this decision. They were never informed that they have been dismissed. Indeed, Lou Midgley is out of the country on vacation, and does not have internet access, and has no idea what's going on. Even if this change is a good idea, treating people this way, after years of service, is simply shameful."

Peterson's response:
It’s scarcely a secret that I haven’t received my dismissal enthusiastically. Thanks to somebody’s leak of two emails, this has already been all over the Web and I’m told it will soon appear, without my participation or involvement, in the mainstream media. I have personal reasons for being displeased, but this isn’t about my hubris: I know that nobody is indispensable. Much more importantly, I have deep concerns about the significance of my dismissal (and the reasons behind it) for the future direction of the Maxwell Institute. Moreover, on behalf of the roughly two hundred and fifty writers who have contributed to the Review over nearly a quarter of a century, I vigorously reject the insinuation that the Review was in a crisis that necessitated emergency mid-volume intervention, and that it now requires a post-Peterson “detoxing” period before it can be permitted to resume publication.

I was notified by the Maxwell Institute director, Dr. M. Gerald Bradford, of his desire for a change in the direction and approach of the Review slightly more than two weeks ago, just prior to my departure for Israel. He and I spoke for several hours, as I attempted to figure out precisely what he had in mind. I had some very substantive concerns, and was still rather uncertain about exactly what he was saying. However, he said nothing at that time about dismissing me as editor.

On Thursday, 14 June, though, I received an email, while I was in Jerusalem, notifying me that he was removing me as editor of the Review. It arrived completely out of the blue; I never saw it coming, though I now suspect, for various specific reasons, that it was the culmination of a long-prepared plan. Today, just slightly more than a week later, my removal has been publicly announced.

The formal statement mentions my associate editors — Louis C. Midgley, George L. Mitton, Gregory L. Smith, and Robert B. White — and pretty clearly implies that they, too, have been dismissed.

They didn’t even receive an email. The newly-posted statement on the Maxwell Institute’s website, I suppose, constitutes their notification and their thanks for, cumulatively, many years of service. (They have been absolutely wonderful.) One of them had written Dr. Bradford several days ago, asking whether he was to be canned along with me, but received no answer. Another called Dr. Bradford by telephone, but his call was not returned. One is traveling in Europe without Internet access, and still knows nothing about any of this (though his earlier calls to Dr. Bradford, regarding a matter that now seems to have been related, also went unanswered). My own emails to Dr. Bradford received no response, and their receipt was never even acknowledged.

For those of you who may be managers in either the public or private sector, a word of counsel: Don’t treat your employees this way.
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Re: Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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"The vigorous editorship of Professor Daniel C. Peterson." Ha! I like that.
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MCB wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:
I don't believe so. He is saying that he contributed to MI for the apologetics, but there is no point in doing that now. And if the sacking of Daniel sticks, he is right. At the same time, he prefers to uphold the academic integrity of BYU to seeing the reign of Daniel at the Review continue. I find all of that perfectly consistent and sensible.


Much like BY's ambivalence during the Civil War.


Or the pope's ambivalence during WWII.
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Re: Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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Kishkumen wrote:
What's not to understand? I think his point is obvious.


I don't think that he defended dan in the way that I would have hoped for. He sounded wishywashy.
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why me wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:
What's not to understand? I think his point is obvious.


I don't think that he defended dan in the way that I would have hoped for. He sounded wishywashy.


OK. I don't think the two men fully agreed on everything. Maybe that's the reason why.
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Re: Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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Dan posts this on his blog, finally addressing the matter:

Since it has now been publicly announced, I suppose that I can break the self-imposed public silence that I’ve maintained, with only a couple of minor exceptions, regarding my dismissal as editor of the Mormon Studies Review, published by Brigham Young University’s Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship, after founding it and directing it for twenty-three years.

This will be brief. I may or may not have other comments on the topic in the future, depending on how and where things go. I still want to be careful. I have no desire to injure either the Maxwell Institute or the University, and I’m not particularly interested in a glorious martyrdom. (There will, I fear, be grievous damage to the Institute, but it won’t come at my hands.)

It’s scarcely a secret that I haven’t received my dismissal enthusiastically. Thanks to somebody’s leak of two emails, this has already been all over the Web and I’m told it will soon appear, without my participation or involvement, in the mainstream media. I have personal reasons for being displeased, but this isn’t about my hubris: I know that nobody is indispensable. Much more importantly, I have deep concerns about the significance of my dismissal (and the reasons behind it) for the future direction of the Maxwell Institute. Moreover, on behalf of the roughly two hundred and fifty writers who have contributed to the Review over nearly a quarter of a century, I vigorously reject the insinuation that the Review was in a crisis that necessitated emergency mid-volume intervention, and that it now requires a post-Peterson “detoxing” period before it can be permitted to resume publication.

I was notified by the Maxwell Institute director, Dr. M. Gerald Bradford, of his desire for a change in the direction and approach of the Review slightly more than two weeks ago, just prior to my departure for Israel. He and I spoke for several hours, as I attempted to figure out precisely what he had in mind. I had some very substantive concerns, and was still rather uncertain about exactly what he was saying. However, he said nothing at that time about dismissing me as editor.

On Thursday, 14 June, though, I received an email, while I was in Jerusalem, notifying me that he was removing me as editor of the Review. It arrived completely out of the blue; I never saw it coming, though I now suspect, for various specific reasons, that it was the culmination of a long-prepared plan. Today, just slightly more than a week later, my removal has been publicly announced.

The formal statement mentions my associate editors — Louis C. Midgley, George L. Mitton, Gregory L. Smith, and Robert B. White — and pretty clearly implies that they, too, have been dismissed.

They didn’t even receive an email. The newly-posted statement on the Maxwell Institute’s website, I suppose, constitutes their notification and their thanks for, cumulatively, many years of service. (They have been absolutely wonderful.) One of them had written Dr. Bradford several days ago, asking whether he was to be canned along with me, but received no answer. Another called Dr. Bradford by telephone, but his call was not returned. One is traveling in Europe without Internet access, and still knows nothing about any of this (though his earlier calls to Dr. Bradford, regarding a matter that now seems to have been related, also went unanswered). My own emails to Dr. Bradford received no response, and their receipt was never even acknowledged.

For those of you who may be managers in either the public or private sector, a word of counsel: Don’t treat your employees this way.
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Re: Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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lulu wrote:1. Apologetics doesn't necessarily mean Danite nastiness, Crockett seems to think that they equal each other.



Maybe not Danite nastiness, but it frequently equals attacks on individuals, denials of the obvious, the defense of the indefensible, and justification through tortuous thinking. Academic interest is best served by being upfront and honest in all things: Admitting mistakes, admitting when you don't know the answer and trying to set the record straight (without curlicues) whenever possible.
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Re: Bob Crockett defends Bradford

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Kudos to you Bob.

Let me, too, jump on the Bob-bandwagon. Well done and well said!

Crockett should shore up Bradford's position with a big fat donation.

Money talks.

Everything else walks.
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Great to see you, Bob! Thanks for the kind words.
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