Ensign article about husband apostatizing: BULL crap!!

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Re: Ensign article about husband apostatizing: BULL s***!!

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ludwigm wrote:Core doctrines should not be changed. It is good enough to say "we don't teach this".
ah, yes, the Hinckley legacy lives on.
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"we don't teach it" is code for "it was false doctrine".
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Re: Ensign article about husband apostatizing: BULL s***!!

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KevinSim wrote:
Polygamy-Porter wrote:Unless the almighty brethren vote to change the core doctrines to allow women to be married to atheists, this article is nothing more than lip service.

Polygamy-Porter, which core doctrines say anything at all about a woman married to an atheist?

If the woman in the article spends her life trying to live by God's guidance, then she will make it into the Celestial Kingdom regardless of who she's married to in this life. If her husband regains his testimony, then her marriage to him will be eternal; if he doesn't, and therefore ends up not making the Celestial Kingdom himself, then she'll be married to someone else in the eternities. That's how I've always understood how it's going to work.

Why not have an authority on this give the answer?
From a book which is still sold through the LDS owned bookstore?

From: Answers to Gospel Questions Vol. III
Author: Joseph Fielding Smith
Copyright: 1960

Page 22: Salvation of Women Whose Husbands Will Not Embrace the Gospel

Question:
I have tried to be a good church member and have a strong testimony of the gospel, and the older I get the stronger is my faith. I am married to a non-member.

We have three children.....My husband does not show the slightest interest in the church; in fact, he shows some resentment against it....I can live my life out this way, but what will happen to me and my children, who are faithful members in the resurrection?

Answer:
This is one of the saddest conditions that we are confronted with in the church. The Lord has revealed that the marriage covenant should be eternal..... In answer to this sister's question we can say to her, and to the many others in like circumstances: If you remain faithful and true, the Lord will take your faith and devotion into account and reward you according to your works....It is a deplorable matter when a husband and wife are married for time only which according to the covenant they have taken must end at death, and then to have the wife wish and long for the blessings of husband and children in the eternity.

When the wife if faithful and desires to obey the divine law and the husband is rebellious, or unwilling to obey the will of the Lord, if she maintains her integrity to the best of her ability, she will be given to another husband in eternity and will receive all the blessings of the celestial kingdom.


Given to another HUSBAND, not man. Husband means he is already married.

What does that spell? POLYGAMY!

So you men who turn against the Spirit® should look around at the other married men in your ward and wonder which one will get your sweet precious wife for a romp in the sky!
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Re: Ensign article about husband apostatizing: BULL s***!!

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I saw it as a positive ... baby steps towards acknowledging that many are struggling.
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RockSlider wrote:I saw it as a positive ... baby steps towards acknowledging that many are struggling.


I agree, it's a baby step in a positive direction, so it's a good thing. I also agree with the other comments in that it treats the nonbelieving spouse as a less-than. The "car out of gas" analogy is perfect.

The One True Church has a long way to go.

And IMHO, the article was written in that sweet-spirit, cloying style that gags me every time, and I could only feel sad for the writer because she is devoted to a negative religion, not because her dreams aren't coming true.
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Re: Ensign article about husband apostatizing: BULL s***!!

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Having read the article I would like to add my earlier comment.

I think this reflects a subtle shift from "get rid of your apostate husband" to "love your apostate husband".

I think it is aimed at removing the conflict that can be generated when a believing spouse realises they are married to an unbelieving spouse.
It means less marriages will split and fewer marriages will end up with two unbelievers.

I quite like the article in that, when my other half reads and ponders it, I will get less of a hard time going forward.
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