If you were a young person in Africa with no food for you, your wife or your children, would you still feel the same?
Yes. Africa will always be without food etc...just ask bob geldorf. But there are americans who are working now because of the mall. If the church could make sound investments in africa, they would. The point is: the mall and other property investments provide work for many people. And that is the point. To create a vibrant community where there are jobs to get people to work. Sounds good to me.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
DrW wrote: The only miracle involved is the miracle of compound interest.
If I am a young person and need a summer job, I have a mall to hire me. If I am a senior citizen in need of work, I have a mall to hire me. And if I am unemployed, I have a mall to hire me. I say that the church did a wonderful job in providing a place for people to pay taxes and gain dignity.
Drifting wrote: If you live in Salt Lake City. This may surprise you, but there is more population outside Salt Lake City than resides within it....
If you were a young person in Africa with no food for you, your wife or your children, would you still feel the same?
Thanks, just this once, for quoting whyme (whom I have on ignore). You have reminded me how bizarre and obsequiously devoted to the CoJCoLDS his thinking is.
Not only is it ridiculous to suppose that Salt Lake City is the best place in the world to spend Jesus's money in order to do good. It isn't even a good investment - as witness the BusinessWeek article:
McMullin explains that City Creek exists to combat urban blight, not to fill church coffers. “Will there be a return?” he asks rhetorically. “Yes, but so modest that you would never have made such an investment ....”
If making money is not the object, the choice of possible investment locations is very wide indeed - and Salt Lake City is definitely not in the top ten most needy places.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
The church has owned or invested in profit-seeking ventures since the Kirtland days, so in that sense there is nothing particularly newsworthy here.
What bothers me is the amount spent here combined with the message it sends. Think about it, we have gone from "buy a modest home, avoid unnecessary spending and stay out of debt" to "LET'S GO SHOPPING!," and that doesn't bother you in the least?
If you were a young person in Africa with no food for you, your wife or your children, would you still feel the same?
Yes. Africa will always be without food etc...just ask bob geldorf. But there are americans who are working now because of the mall. If the church could make sound investments in africa, they would. The point is: the mall and other property investments provide work for many people. And that is the point. To create a vibrant community where there are jobs to get people to work. Sounds good to me.
Yes and American LDS deserve the help so much more than the members in other countries. After all they are not real members right? They must have done something in the pre-existance to end up being born over there anyway right?
Just think of the hospitals, clinics, schools, etc that could have been built with the billions that were spent on that mall. I am sure Jesus is just pleased as punch right now.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
son of Ishmael wrote: Just think of the hospitals, clinics, schools, etc that could have been built with the billions that were spent on that mall. I am sure Jesus is just pleased as punch right now.
I think he is as are the people who now have a job.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith, “Times and Seasons,” March 15, 1842
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
son of Ishmael wrote: Just think of the hospitals, clinics, schools, etc that could have been built with the billions that were spent on that mall. I am sure Jesus is just pleased as punch right now.
I think he is as are the people who now have a job.
Do you pay an honest tithe, if not why not?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
why me wrote:We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith, “Times and Seasons,” March 15, 1842
Now quote a scripture where it says we are to filche away charitable donations to build a loss making shopping emporium complete with retractable glass roof.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
If you were a young person in Africa with no food for you, your wife or your children, would you still feel the same?
Yes. Africa will always be without food etc...just ask bob geldorf. But there are americans who are working now because of the mall. If the church could make sound investments in africa, they would. The point is: the mall and other property investments provide work for many people. And that is the point. To create a vibrant community where there are jobs to get people to work. Sounds good to me.
son of Ishmael wrote:
Yes and American LDS deserve the help so much more than the members in other countries. After all they are not real members right? They must have done something in the pre-existance to end up being born over there anyway right?
Just think of the hospitals, clinics, schools, etc that could have been built with the billions that were spent on that mall. I am sure Jesus is just pleased as punch right now.
No. Please stop quoting whyme again.
Crazed loyalty to an institution against all odds may be amusing. Imbecility is just sad.
It is well known that China's overseas investments are run on a basis of throwing money recklessly into projects that can never bring a return. That's why they are investing in Africa.
Clearly the CoJCoLDS should not dream of following their example, and if they did their money would be wasted. Much better to invest in Salt Lake City, where the need is greatest, even if the return does not justify the investment.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap, you are, of course, quite right. I apologise for quoting a poster who seems to have no redeeming features whatsoever. I will follow your example.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator