Flip Side of the Coin

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_KevinSim
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Re: Flip Side of the Coin

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Bob Loblaw wrote:Kind of circular logic, don't you think? You believe a living prophet tells you treat the Book of Mormon as scripture but you believe in the prophet because of the Book of Mormon.

I don't believe in the prophet "because of the Book of Mormon"; I believe in the prophet because I asked God if the LDS Church is true and God told me yes.
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KevinSim wrote:Bob, sorry for the damage. What did you replace the LDS Church with?


Do I need to replace it? I'm happy without the church.
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KevinSim wrote:I don't believe in the prophet "because of the Book of Mormon"; I believe in the prophet because I asked God if the LDS Church is true and God told me yes.


The Book of Mormon is what told you how God answers prayers.
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Re: Flip Side of the Coin

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Themis wrote:Self deception has worked to help people be happy and content with many world views.

Do you believe in God, Themis?
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LDSToronto wrote:Some days I wish someone would put together a balance sheet describing God's utilitarianism.

Why don't you do it, LDSToronto? I'm sure you'd do a good job.
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KevinSim wrote:... my mother was a sixth generation Latter-day Saint (her great-great-great grandfather was the Isaac Morley ...


I'm guessing you descend through Cordelia Calista Morley and Fredrick Walter Cox.
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Themis wrote:Your wife sounds like a feeler. The world is full of them and they are good people, but they do make choices more on feelings then on rational thought. To them these details don't matter.

And, like I said, the longer I'm with her the more I find myself agreeing with her. Why should those details matter?
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Re: Flip Side of the Coin

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KevinSim wrote:
Themis wrote:Self deception has worked to help people be happy and content with many world views.

Do you believe in God, Themis?


Not relevant. People dealing with uncomfortable information many times need to deceive themselves in order to feel comfortable maintaining certain beliefs that are needed to feel happy with a particular world view. This is why you would find converts more easily leaving a religion like LDS when they see information showing it is not what they thought compared to people who grew up in it.
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Re: Flip Side of the Coin

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KevinSim wrote:
Themis wrote:Your wife sounds like a feeler. The world is full of them and they are good people, but they do make choices more on feelings then on rational thought. To them these details don't matter.

And, like I said, the longer I'm with her the more I find myself agreeing with her. Why should those details matter?


Sure you want to go by feelings more then reason. In many cases one may think this will lead to greater happiness. I am one who thinks untrue beliefs do more harm then good in the long run. You are in a situation I believe you would find many troubles if you ever started to really doubt and were open about it with your wife and family. I can understand this and have no problem with people going the route they think will be best for them, and self deception is needed to really feel comfortable. "Remember it's not a lie if you believe it". All the best.
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