Evangelicals warm to Romney

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Re: Evangelicals warm to Romney

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Uncle Dale wrote: ...
In a little over four years Obama will be out of public office --
and will probably be engaged in something like the Red Cross
or the World Wildlife Fund. Why not wait for that day and save
yourself the trouble of being upset with his responses to the
world's various religions.

If he is truly a Muslim, he will be dealt with under Sharia law, for
having been baptized into the Disciples of Christ many years ago.

We all know what the Muslim punishment for having a Christian
baptism consists of. If that fatwa "atonement" is not carried out
upon the guy, then I suppose we can rest assured that he was
not a Muslim earlier in life.

UD


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Catherine Aurelia wrote:...a Muslim terrorist?


OK -- perhaps I'm wrong.

If you do manage to convince me that the President is secretly an
Arab terrorist (or is leading Muslim terrorists to destroy us), exactly
WHAT do you expect me to do about that?

Inform Andrew Bolton? or Frank Gaffney?

Inform Michael Savage? or Rush? or Glenn?

Inform the FBI? or the CIA?

Inform Boyd K. Packer? or Warren Jeffs?

Inform Dick Cheney? or Joe Arpaio?

Inform Allen West? or Michele Bachmann?

I'm just one guy. I wouldn't know what to do. Sheesh! I probably
wouldn't even know how to block the theater fire exit door behind
me, when I started out to "exercise my second amendment rights,"
(as Sharon Angle once advised us to do).

UD
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Re: Evangelicals warm to Romney

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Uncle Dale wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:...
Obama seems to hate Israel, but doesn't wish to appear a traitor either.


I fail to see how having any particular opinion regarding the State
of Israel would make anybody a "traitor," -- unless, perhaps, if
that person were a citizen of Israel.

But since we are talking about some sort of discernible "hatred,"
perhaps you could clarify your conclusion in this regard.

Does he "hate" the land -- the geography -- the landscape? If
so, then why not also hate Lebanon or Jordan?

Or, perhaps you mean that he hates the people who live
within the borders of the State of Israel? If so, I can only
wonder why he would not hate the Jewish settlers who are
building new settlements on the West Bank.

Or -- if he "hates" the people there, does that hatred extend
to the many Palestinian and Arab people who are citizens of
of the State of Israel -- most of whom are Muslims, but some
of whom are Christians?

Perhaps you mean that he hates the idea of a religious state --
and would rather see religion and politics kept separate.

Perhaps you will clarify your remarks -- but I do not see the
fellow showing evidence of hatred for any country or people.

UD

I believe Obama wishes Israel never was re-established. I feel he is against everything Israel does and wants. Obama thinks the Palestinians are victims and blameless for their plight. And Obama hates the notion of any religious state, but perhaps feels Jews and Evangelicals are the real instigators.
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Catherine Aurelia wrote:Obama, who has a fast-break celebration after Ramadan in the White House but does not particpate in the National Day of Prayer - you mean that guy?


Since I have a problem with any public official taking part in any religious event I have a problem with Obama taking part in a Ramadan celebration as well as the National Day of Prayer.
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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Bond James Bond wrote:
Catherine Aurelia wrote:Obama, who has a fast-break celebration after Ramadan in the White House but does not particpate in the National Day of Prayer - you mean that guy?


Since I have a problem with any public official taking part in any religious event I have a problem with Obama taking part in a Ramadan celebration as well as the National Day of Prayer.

Politicians have religious rights, the same as any average citizen. Just so long as they are open and honest about them and not hypocritical and deceptive.
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LittleNipper wrote:
I believe Obama wishes Israel never was re-established.


My wife is Jewish and has the same opinion -- she, and many
thousands of Orthodox Jews, who say that the political move
of the Zionists was too soon and not founded in the will of
The Almighty.

I'll leave others to argue over all of that. But I fail to see how
the current state of affairs over there is much better than it
was under the the British Mandate. The Palestinians/Arabs who
are citizens of Israel will eventually outnumber the Jews there.
From what I hear from my wife's family in Israel, they already
outnumber the observant Jews.

Perhaps we would all be better off today, if some alternative
political solution had been reached back in the 1940s.

I feel he is against everything Israel does and wants.


Well, I suppose you can feel that way. But, if you also feel
he is anti-Jewish, there are several millions of voters in New York,
southern California and coastal Florida you should be talking to.

Obama thinks the Palestinians are victims and blameless for their plight.


I doubt that. But if he thinks any such thing, he has not been
paying attention to history since the 1940s. At any rate, there
are now two generations of Palestinians who had nothing to do
with the events of earlier years. I would count them as "victims,"
even if we decide to blame their own parents and the leaders of
the surrounding Arab nations for their current plight.

And Obama hates the notion of any religious state, but perhaps feels Jews and Evangelicals are the real instigators.


I too hate religious states: from Calvin's Geneva, to Joe Smith's Nauvoo,
and from Bhagwan's Oregon Rajneeshpuram to David Koresh's
Waco Compound.

If you want to talk to a sympathizer in theocracies, you'll have
to find some other poster here to converse with.

UD
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Re: Evangelicals warm to Romney

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Uncle Dale wrote:But the issue worth considering, is whether expressions of
sympathy towards some particular religion makes that sympathizer
a member.

Perhaps Obama is indeed a secret Arab terrorist. But, if so, then
the Government of the USA has done a terrible job of investigating
and acting upon that supposed fact.

Bush and Cheney had ample time to investigate Obama. The Clintons
had a vested interest in having him investigated. McCain & Palin
would have won their campaign, if they could have produced a
single witness to testify that Obama was a secret Muslim. Never
mind whether or not he sympathizes with terrorists -- the simple
fact that he was praying to Mecca five times a day would have
been enough to get McCain elected.

But, all of that is in the past. Now Romney has an opportunity to
investigate Obama's personal life. With his own massive wealth,
and the collected resources of several dozens of the world's
richest, most powerful people at his disposal, Romney can do a
better job than practically anybody on earth in exposing Obama.

That is -- if there is anything to expose.

UD


Thanks Dale, I thought that was clear and to the point.

But you realize a whispering campaign has no need of demonstration proof or even veracity. It relies upon suspicion and fear. It works wonders on those given to fear the president. It has the drawback of repelling some other people however. .
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LittleNipper wrote: Politicians have religious rights, the same as any average citizen. Just so long as they are open and honest about them and not hypocritical and deceptive.


But should their religious opinions guide public policy?
Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded.-charity 3/7/07

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I peeked in the back [of the Bible] Frank, the Devil did it.
I avoid church religiously.
This isn't one of my sermons, I expect you to listen.
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Re: Evangelicals warm to Romney

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Bond James Bond wrote:
But should their religious opinions guide public policy?


From the 1869 LDS Church Trial of the "Godbeites" in Salt Lake City:

...the question was put by the editors to Elder Cannon,
one of the Council, whether it was apostacy to differ
honestly with Brigham Young? To which he replied: "It
is apostacy to differ honestly with Brigham Young. A
man may be honest even in hell."

D. H. Wells, also one of the Council, said, in relation to
the above question, "You might as well ask the question
whether a man had a right to differ honestly with the Almighty!"

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY ... htm#110869


So much for Brigham Young's vaunted theo-democracy ---
--- all "theo" and damned little "democracy"

UD
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Uncle Dale wrote:
Bond James Bond wrote:
But should their religious opinions guide public policy?


From the 1869 LDS Church Trial of the "Godbeites" in Salt Lake City:

...the question was put by the editors to Elder Cannon,
one of the Council, whether it was apostacy to differ
honestly with Brigham Young? To which he replied: "It
is apostacy to differ honestly with Brigham Young. A
man may be honest even in hell."

D. H. Wells, also one of the Council, said, in relation to
the above question, "You might as well ask the question
whether a man had a right to differ honestly with the Almighty!"

http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY ... htm#110869


So much for Brigham Young's vaunted theo-democracy ---
--- all "theo" and damned little "democracy"

UD


Great quotes, UD. I wonder if any of our vaunted mopologists can find a single statement from an official church publication renouncing this quote and announcing a change in doctrine. If not, presumably it would be apostasy for Romney to honestly differ from the Prophet, right?
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