Joanna Brooks: The Long March Continues

[_Droopy]

and the Mormons were not a peaceful, civil, law-abiding body of American citizens. That's what, inter alia, the Mormon War was about.

The Mormons were overwhelmingly peaceful. The Missouri Mormon War was brought on solely by the religious, political, and sociocultural bigotry and in-group prejudice of the non-Mormon residents around Mormon settlements, whipped into a frenzy, periodically by demagogues precisely and exactly like Darth V.

Without the demagogic, Al Sharptonesque element among the non-Mormons of the time, its doubtful tensions would have ever risen to the fever pitch they did, to the point at which the rule of law was utterly abandoned.

But Darth V just loves "law," doesn't he?

Its such a fun and malleable thing to play with, just like Silly Putty.

[_Darth J]

Droopy, tell me the name of the state or territory of the U.S. that has ever recognized the legal validity of plural marriage.

Everywhere, vermin, before 1862 (and later, in 1882, when polygamy was made a felony).

No, Droopy. Tell me where a person purporting to perform a plural marriage would have had that act legally recognized.

[_Darth J]

There was no genocide,

It was intended to be such, or near such, by Boggs.

Just for fun, let's go all the way with Godwin's Law and facetiously compare the Extermination Order to the Final Solution.

Let's pretend that Hitler promulgated the decree of the Final Solution, but never actually started up any concentration camps.

That would have meant that the Holocaust never happened. It would have been just words if he had not acted on it.

The State of Missouri did not in fact carry out genocide on the Mormons, Droopy.

To really do the analogy justice, though, we would have needed the Jews to have been having intramural property wars with their neighbors. Similarly, the context of the Extermination Order does not justify it, but it does explain it as more than the Satanic, arbitrary religious persecution that the Correlation Committee would have us believe it was.

and the Mormons were not a peaceful, civil, law-abiding body of American citizens. That's what, inter alia, the Mormon War was about.

blah blah blah blah blah

The early Mormons were instigators as well as victims of violence, Droopy. Acknowledging the circumstances is not the same as seeking to morally or legally justify it.

You are also begging the central question. If all this conflict with early Mormons was based on religious bigotry, then why were other movements arising from the Second Great Awakening not subjected to similar treatment?

Get serious. Oh, that's not part of your modus operandi? Sorry I asked.

You don't have an answer.

Vermin. Do you know what that term means? Take off all your clothes, stand in front of a full length mirror, and stay there until the full weight of this linguistic sign sinks to the very center. The rot at that center will then, doubtless, absorb and consume that term as life sustaining nutriment. You will then be one.

TMI, Droopy. I've already been subjected to the knowledge that you enjoy movies with half-naked teenage girls being flogged by midgets and martial arts masters with dildos for hands. I don't need to know any more about what you do in the privacy of your own home.

[_Darth J]

Droopy, wasn't the point of your OP that black people shouldn't bitch and moan about deprivations of rights that happened long before they were born?

So why are you so enraged about persecution of Mormons a century before you were born?

[_consiglieri]

Joanna Brooks, the politically correct academic diva of "NOM" cultural Mormonism recently posted the above small essay, which provides a number of insights into why she is considered by many faithful "TBM" Latter day Saints to be a subversive element within the Church who's central approach is to claim "faith" and "belief" in the Church, while in actuality, holding beliefs and values substantially inconsistent with core Church teachings and principles.

What's with this obsession you have with Joanna Brooks, Droopy?

Why can't she have different beliefs without your repeated name-calling and kvetching?

You are becoming a parody of yourself.

One would think you have a secret crush on her or something.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

[_Dr. Shades]

Droopy, wasn't the point of your OP that black people shouldn't bitch and moan about deprivations of rights that happened long before they were born?

So why are you so enraged about persecution of Mormons a century before you were born?

That's an EXCELLENT question. Droopy, what do you have to say?

[_Chap]

What does this remind me of?

Ah, yes ...

[_Droopy]

What does this remind me of?

Ah, yes ...

I posted it again, moving the OP out of the Telestial, just to see if I could get a serious, civil, intellectually substantive discussion/debate going on the subject. The OP invites that and that is what I wanted.

I see, however, that that's just not going to be possible, even the second time around.

[_Darth J]

Droopy, why is it permissible for you to get incensed about the persecution of early Mormons over a century and a half ago, which has not directly affected you nor occurred in your lifetime, but blacks don't get to complain about the past wrongs against their ancestors?

[Guest]

So why are you so enraged about persecution of Mormons a century before you were born?

I'm not. What on earth gave you that idea? What I was engaged about was you're turning the victims into perpetrators, perpetrators into victims, and implying the Mormons in Missouri brought the persecutions and extermination order upon themselves by being violent and behaving in a consistently criminal and belligerent manner.

You've now exposed yourself as a revisionist whitewasher of one of the most egregious breakdowns of constitutional order and law in American history, and I'm afraid you're going to have to live with it. Of course, the people at whom this utter breakdown of law and order was aimed are the very same people and the same religious organization you'd like to see defamed and destroyed today, so the need to vicariously identify with them is strong.

You're slavering hatred for the Church - and its people - has been crystal clear for a very long time, V. But then, this kind of unbridled animus has long been a traditional feature of the classic apostate pattern.

It has a long and well attested history.