Cicero wrote:Self righteous Mormons will continue to abstain (and make sure everyone knows about it) because they think they are obeying some higher law.
Or just listening a little closer to the Holy Ghost.
The Holy Ghost told me that you're full of crap.
Apparently I'm listening so closely they have to measure the standoff between it and my ears with an electron microscope.
By the way, caffeine isn't "officially" not against the Word of Wisdom, because newsroom press releases haven't been approved by the Q12 + FP, presented in Conference, and approved by vote of the membership. Or something like that. Ok, go back and find out what all the "but that's not official!" people have been claiming in trying to defuse past bogus doctrinal statements of Mormon Prophets, and then level that charge here.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
So it IS technically possible for it to come up in a TR interview IF you're having problems. For example:
There was an Elder in my zone who was addicted to Jolt. He had to have it essentially every hour on the hour or he developed withdrawal symptoms such as severe shaking and debilitating headaches. He couldn't kick the habit and had to be sent home. I guarantee you such a thing would be of concern for a Bishop or a Stake president when considering worthiness issues as this is a clear-cut case of addiction.
just had to giggle, this along with other posts and you have dated yourself. Jolt came out in 1985. based on some math and a few of your other posts you are between the ages of 40 - 46 possibly older, but that would mean you did not serve a mission at age 19....I did not either, I was almost 21 when I served.
Why couldn't the missionary continue to serve and just drink some Jolt during the day? Was the hourly Jolt consumption inhibiting the missionary's ability to obey rules and knock on doors or something?
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
Sethbag wrote:Why couldn't the missionary continue to serve and just drink some Jolt during the day? Was the hourly Jolt consumption inhibiting the missionary's ability to obey rules and knock on doors or something?
I agree with bcspace that an addiction is a violation of the WoW. It has always been my belief that apart from the few 'thou shalt nots' in section 89, and addiction to anything is not wisdom.
Sethbag wrote:Why couldn't the missionary continue to serve and just drink some Jolt during the day? Was the hourly Jolt consumption inhibiting the missionary's ability to obey rules and knock on doors or something?
I agree with bcspace that an addiction is a violation of the WoW. It has always been my belief that apart from the few 'thou shalt nots' in section 89, and addiction to anything is not wisdom.
An addiction to jolt is not grounds for sending someone home. There would have to be something else here. I have learned not everything bcspace says is accurate.
Cicero wrote:Self righteous Mormons will continue to abstain (and make sure everyone knows about it) because they think they are obeying some higher law.
Or just listening a little closer to the Holy Ghost.
I, for one, sleep much better at night knowing that there is a supernatural entity who will subjectively confirm the eternal truth value of my personal hang-ups and neuroses.
Finally, another small correction: Despite what was reported, the Church revelation spelling out health practices (Doctrine and Covenants 89) does not mention the use of caffeine. The Church’s health guidelines prohibits alcoholic drinks, smoking or chewing of tobacco, and “hot drinks” — taught by Church leaders to refer specifically to tea and coffee. *
I'm glad to see press coverage finally get them to make this clarification.
That has ALWAYS been the teaching..... and Doctrine.
Some members and wards simply try to follow the "spirit" of the law also, not simply the letter since we all know that Caffeine isn't that good for you.
The "rumor mill" and "traditions" have NEVER been Church Doctrine or Teachings. That's a key principle that ESPECIALLY you anti-mormons need to remember. Of course, to be fair some Mormons need to pay more attention also. But, that's life. Hate doesn't motivate their honest mistakes.
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ldsfaqs wrote:That has ALWAYS been the teaching..... and Doctrine.
Some members and wards simply try to follow the "spirit" of the law also, not simply the letter since we all know that Caffeine isn't that good for you.
The "rumor mill" and "traditions" have NEVER been Church Doctrine or Teachings. That's a key principle that ESPECIALLY you anti-mormons need to remember. Of course, to be fair some Mormons need to pay more attention also. But, that's life. Hate doesn't motivate their honest mistakes.
The reality is that the teaching has been anything but clear. Consider the edit made by the Newsroom. Why did it happen? Because the people at the Newsroom aren't quite clear on the official stance on the topic. So how could the members be clear on it? I've heard plenty of members state that caffeine is against the word of wisdom. So why hasn't the church clarified until now? It's like they didn't care that 'false doctrine' was being propagated until a member repeated it to the news media.