Inactivity and "Coming out"

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_why me
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Re: Inactivity and "Coming out"

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Cicero wrote:
I have been posting for a few months here, and I believe that there are some here that have mentioned returning to belief and activity after a period of inactivity (or even full apostasy in the case of Don Bradley). If you are one of those folks, did you find that "coming out" and going inactive for a time actually helped you in your faith journey? I know that I am going to have to come out and break the news to my family soon (otherwise I will go crazy), and so I would be interested in hearing from those who went inactive for a time and then came back later. I am not necessarily really looking to regain my testimony and I do not know where my spirtual journey will lead me, but I am curious to hear from others that have been in a similar position, and to hear how things turned out for them.


Don Bradley regained his testimony. As have many others. It is impossible to come back without a testimony. If you have no wish to regain a testimony why would you want to come back. A better question would be how did they regain their testimony. And the witnesses and a reinterpretation of church history certainly helped them to regain their testimony.

So, without wanting to regain a testimony, your question is mute.
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Re: Inactivity and "Coming out"

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why me wrote:If you are not looking to regain your testimony you are much better off leaving the church and let the chips fall where they may. However, if you ever wish to regain your testimony the witnesses are a good place to start. If you lost your testimony going to church will be painful and you will end up like consig mocking the people who are there, believing yourself more superior to them. Not good. So, come out, tell one and all that you have no desire to regain your testimony and stop attending.


Or you could be like why me and stand on the margins, neither Catholic nor Mormon, and believe yourself more superior to everyone else.
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Re: Inactivity and "Coming out"

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Cicero wrote:I have been posting for a few months here, and I believe that there are some here that have mentioned returning to belief and activity after a period of inactivity (or even full apostasy in the case of Don Bradley).


I'm not so sure this happens all that often. I assume Don is an exceptional case. I do believe it’s common to vacillate, I know I sure do. With mixtures of powerful spiritual experiences within our faith journey and a desire to believe in God. I find it easy to one day to still be angry with the church and the next still having an inner driving towards continuing to seek out those things spiritual.

I guess one should never say never, but I doubt I would ever return to what I consider a corrupt incorporation, or any other organized religion. But doubt I will ever achieve atheism and fully turn from beliefs in things that just don’t make logical sense.
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Cicero wrote:I have known about most of the "troubling issues" of the Church since doing a deep dive in college about 15 years ago. My testimony was severely shaken and forever altered, but ultimately preserved through more study and prayer, discussions with folks like Richard Bushman, Daniel Peterson, and (most importantly) many wonderul mentors in the BYU History department. Bill Hamblin did his best to push me into full apostasy, but fortunately he was not the only apologist I talked to back then. Looking back now, it is clear that I relied heavily on the catalyst theory for Book of Abraham issues, and Ostler's Book of Mormon expansion theory for Book of Mormon issues, and I put a lot of other troubling issues on the shelf (polygamy, racism, homosexuality, etc.) by embracing the typical responses (prophets are fallible men, God's ways are not our ways, "postmodern" critiques of science, blah blah blah . . .)

As I mentioned on another thread, I then managed to really thrive in several East Coast and European wards. Right now, however, I am really struggling with attending Church. I have focused a great deal on epistemology in my personal studies over the past year, and I have come to really doubt the efficacy of prayer and faith to discern "truth." I don't want this to turn into a thread on epistemology, but just in case anyone reading this thinks I have gone all "gah gah" for science a la Kerry Shirts, let me assure you that I am well aware of the epistemological problems of science.

Given my current perspective on prayer and religious faith in general, reading scriptures and attending meetings is not helping me at all. I sincerely try to be "honest in my dealings" and right now I don't feel like I am being honest. Like many others here, I am instead staying in "the closet" and putting on the mask in order to keep the peace at home. I am not going to be able to continue this for much longer, however.

I have been posting for a few months here, and I believe that there are some here that have mentioned returning to belief and activity after a period of inactivity (or even full apostasy in the case of Don Bradley). If you are one of those folks, did you find that "coming out" and going inactive for a time actually helped you in your faith journey? I know that I am going to have to come out and break the news to my family soon (otherwise I will go crazy), and so I would be interested in hearing from those who went inactive for a time and then came back later. I am not necessarily really looking to regain my testimony and I do not know where my spirtual journey will lead me, but I am curious to hear from others that have been in a similar position, and to hear how things turned out for them.


A short while back I posed the question to Don about wether he felt leaving the Church and having that freedom of distance helped him have a stronger testimony when he returned. He seemed reluctant to discuss it.

It may be like choosing new shoes, you think you've found the right pair but perusing other shoes elsewhere reinforces and strengthens the view about the first. Of course, you run the risk of realising the first shoes we really not what you wanted at all....

I think living a period of your life away from the Church can only help people to understand what they actually believe because it gives context and balance to the beliefs themselves. (This said from a BIC perspective).
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RockSlider wrote:I'm not so sure this happens all that often. I assume Don is an exceptional case. I do believe it’s common to vacillate, I know I sure do. With mixtures of powerful spiritual experiences within our faith journey and a desire to believe in God. I find it easy to one day to still be angry with the church and the next still having an inner driving towards continuing to seek out those things spiritual.

I guess one should never say never, but I doubt I would ever return to what I consider a corrupt incorporation, or any other organized religion. But doubt I will ever achieve atheism and fully turn from beliefs in things that just don’t make logical sense.


Going back to the church would require me to significantly lower my standards of truth, right, and wrong. We all have that conditioned desire to believe in Mormonism and it probably will surface now and again, but that won't change the facts: the church is not true, and it is not a benevolent organization dedicated to serving God. It's a corporate empire by which people gain and exercise power and wealth.
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(Apologies in advance to Cicero.)
why me wrote:... your question is mute.
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Bret Ripley wrote:Paging Dr. Shades...paging Dr. Shades...


There are a few posters who I would be happy to see become mute.
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Re: Inactivity and "Coming out"

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what i've seen with people in your position is that once they take that first step out the door, a lot of uncertainty and anxiety evaporates, and their journey away from not just the LDS church, but all religious faith, accelerates.
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palerobber wrote:what i've seen with people in your position is that once they take that first step out the door, a lot of uncertainty and anxiety evaporates, and their journey away from not just the LDS church, but all religious faith, accelerates.


We've been conditioned to be terrified of the thought of leaving the church but when we take that step we realize pretty quickly that it isn't the end of the world. We lose "friends" but then who wants friends whose friendship depends on your religious faith?
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS

"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
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