Harold B. Lee, president of the church, stated in 1972: "For those who don't believe in modern revelation there is no adequate explanation. Those who do understand revelation stand by and wait until the Lord speaks...It's only a matter of time before the black achieves full status in the Church. We must believe in the justice of God. The black will achieve full status, we’re just waiting for that time."
Funny how if the ban isn't based on skin color yet that how a prophet described it. But they were only God's representatives on earth what do they know?
bcspace wrote:Better that than to be illiterate. If you can't be big, don't belittle.
I treat people with the respect they merit.
Then by the same token, you can't say that it was. However, I have never seen a hypothesis or doctrine, in or out of the Church that says tha ben came about because of someone's skin color. In fact, even anti Mormons seem to be in agreement that the ban came about just prior or at the same time as skin color so even they must admit that racism doesn't play a role.
The skin color came because of the curse. That's doctrine, and it's racist.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Harold B. Lee, president of the church, stated in 1972: "For those who don't believe in modern revelation there is no adequate explanation. Those who do understand revelation stand by and wait until the Lord speaks...It's only a matter of time before the black achieves full status in the Church. We must believe in the justice of God. The black will achieve full status, we’re just waiting for that time."
Funny how if the ban isn't based on skin color yet that is how the prophet described it. But they were only God's representatives on earth what do they know?
"The Book of Abraham is rich both in doctrine and in historical incidents. Of the latter the fact of the large influence (if not identity) of Egyptian religious ideas in Chaldea in the days of Abraham is established; the descent of the black race (Negro) from Cain, the first murderer; the preservation of that race through the flood by the wife of Ham--"Egyptus," which in the Chaldean signifies "Egypt," "which signifies that which is forbidden"--the descendants of "Egyptus" were cursed as pertaining to the priesthood--that is, they were barred from holding that divine power; the origin also of the Egyptians--these things, together with the account of Abraham migrating from Chaldea to Egypt, constitute the chief historical items that are contained in the book. - Comprehensive History of the Church, Vol.2, Ch.47, Pg.128
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"You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind....Cain slew his brother. Cain might have been killed, and that would have put a termination to that line of human beings. This was not to be, and the Lord put a mark upon him, which is the flat nose and black skin." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 290).
Funny how God's representatives on earth get it so wrong.
Stormy Waters wrote:Funny how God's representatives on earth get it so wrong.
"Not official doctrine."
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Stormy Waters wrote:Funny how God's representatives on earth get it so wrong.
"Not official doctrine."
How odd that they didn't qualify that to their listeners. It's almost as if they didn't care if their listeners thought they were speaking as prophets.
Stormy Waters wrote:How odd that they didn't qualify that to their listeners. It's almost as if they didn't care if their listeners thought they were speaking as prophets.
Thank God we have bureaucrats in the Correlation department to tell us when what the prophets say is doctrine, and when it isn't.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
bcspace wrote:Not at all. I was just using your own "logic" to nullify your argument.
You failed, as he demonstrated.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado