Public Apology Issued on Behalf of Scott Gordon

[Guest]

If I may respond to the "thin skin" personal attack.

Alter your post are essentially about how unworthy or lacking as a Bishop Wang is....that is a personal attack.

[_Alter Idem]

I would really be interested in your thoughts on Scott Gordon's actions and the OP.

Thanks in advance,

Everybody Wang Chung

Since you asked, I will give my thoughts on Scott Gordon's actions.

Scott Gordon is the President of FAIR and this is FAIR's mission statement;

"FAIR is dedicated to standing as a witness of Christ and His Restored Church.
Our mission is to address the charges leveled at the doctrines, practices and leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons) with documented responses that are written in an easily understandable style."

If you will look at Mormonthink and read the things that they post, you will recognize that they are an organization whom FAIR would feel they needed to defend against.

Read the 'Conclusions' section of their website and you will see that Mormonthink appears to encourage members who have lost their faith to stay in the church and try to change and influence members minds to bring them around to their way of thinking--critical and unbelieving of mainstream church claims, doctrines and practices. This has the potential to undermine the church from within and makes members vulnerable to apostasy.

Twede was running this website in a position of anonymity. Why? I think this is a valid question to ask.
As the President of FAIR and given the mission statement of FAIR, it is obvious to me that Scott Gordon considered the Website and Twede might be damaging to church members, and so he apprised church leaders of him. Apparently, after looking at his website, they determined it was worth having his Bishop talk to him to find out what he was doing. If they decided to hold a court, clearly his answers were concerning to them.

To me, calling someone a snitch is stupid. Do you know how many crimes and abuses go unreported because of attitudes like this? Gordon, given his position, saw something that concerned him. He reported it. They acted. They could have chosen to do nothing about his reporting, but apparently, they shared his concerns. I have no problem with his actions.

[_Alter Idem]

If I may respond to the "thin skin" personal attack.

Alter your post are essentially about unworthy or lacking as a Bishop Wang is....that is a personal attack.

I was not aware it is required that we believe everything other posters say or we are engaging in personal attacks.

And if it was a 'personal attack', the moderators are pretty on-the-ball and I think my post would have been moved to Telestial. If you are concerned, you can report it so they can decide if it was an attack.

I do not consider it a personal attack to question his claims that he is a Bishop. If he isn't one, I consider his masquerade an affront to real LDS Bishops.

Whether or not he is really a Bishop, we won't know, since he is anonymous and all we can do is decide for ourselves whether or not he is trustworthy and should be believed.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

If I may respond to the "thin skin" personal attack.

Alter your post are essentially about unworthy or lacking as a Bishop Wang is....that is a personal attack.

I was not aware it is required that we believe everything other posters say or we are engaging in personal attacks.

Whether or not he is really a Bishop, we won't know, since he is anonymous and all we can do is decide for ourselves whether or not he is trustworthy and should be believed.

Hello Alter,

You will find I have pretty thick skin. Pahoran and Ray made many personal attacks and tried their best to derail this OP. My point to you was to respectfully ask you to post any comments which could be construed as a derail or attack down in the Telestial (where there is a thread to post derailments and personal attacks against me). I just grew weary of all of the derailments on this thread.

Your comments addressing the OP were very much appreciated. As far as me being anonymous, I guess I am anonymous to you, but I have met and several people on this board know my in real life. Just to name a few:

Nightlion
Peppermint Patty
California Kid
Wonhyo
Dr. Scratch
etc., etc.

Again, thanks for addressing the OP.

[_Pahoran]

Yet once again, it falls on me to publicly issue an apology for the markedly un-Christian behavior of various individuals who are LDS in name only.

As such, I humbly offer an apology for the poor choices that Scott Gordon has made in regards to snitching on David Twede. Snitching is not only harshly condemned in the Bible and Torah,

Incidentally, just so you know: the Torah is part of the Bible. People who know this don't say that something is "in the Bible and Torah" any more than they say that something is "in Utah and Salt Lake City." Of course not knowing that doesn't make you a bad person; but trying to sound edjumacated about something you are really rather ignorant about makes you look like a pretentious prat.

And now: CFR that "Snitching is... harshly condemned in the Bible," please.

but snitching on someone for behavior which is in no way innappropriate is simply evil and of the devil.

But that's simply nonsense. First of all, there's simply no point "snitching on someone for behavior which is in no way innappropriate[sic]." How would that work?

"Bishop, I hate to tell you this, but I saw Sister Brown at the grocery store! And you know what she was doing? She was buying milk!!"

I think that if any disciplinary council needs to be held, it should be for Scott Gordon. Not only has he repeatedly lied and intentionally mislead in various presentations, but he has born false witness against David Twede. He is a very bad example of how LDS should act and treat one another.

All I can say is that it is a good thing Scott Gordon is not a member of my Ward or he would be facing a disciplinary council.

You know perfectly well that he would not. But notice, please, that you don't disapprove of Church disciplinary councils; you just think that, instead of using them to protect the Saviour's flock from ravening wolves in sheep's clothing, they should be used to protect the anonymity of the wolves themselves, thus enabling them to ravage the flock with impunity.

Which of course explains your irrational reaction to Scott Gordon; you'd like to see him punished because it would have the effect of discouraging anyone from exposing you.

Of course, he won't be. And the fact that Twede has been exposed for the apostate he is means that he has been hamstrung already.

Regards,
Pahoran

[_Bob Loblaw]

Phew, the church really dodged a bullet, didn't they? They rooted out an apostate and got a lot of free publicity as well. Scott Gordon must have been inspired. Now people who previously didn't know much about the LDS church have learned that it does not tolerate dissent. You can't buy that kind of positive press.

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

And now: CFR that "Snitching is... harshly condemned in the Bible," please.

Hello Pahoran,

What else was Judas Iscariot, in the end, but a snitch?

One of the first Christian "stop snitching codes" was established at the Synod of Elvira:

"A Christian who denounces someone who is then ostracized or put to death may not commune even as death approaches. If the case was less severe, he or she may commune in less than five years. If the informer was a catechumen (someone who was investigating Christianity) , he or she may be baptized after five years."

Also, 1 Corinthians 6:1-7, Hebrews 10:30, Mathew 16:15, Leviticus 9:18, Romans 10:13.

I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the picture.

[_Kishkumen]

I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the picture.

No, you see, that is precisely the problem. He and his friends don't get the picture.

At all.

[_Kishkumen]

Now people who previously didn't know much about the LDS church have learned that it does not tolerate dissent. You can't buy that kind of positive press.

Well, I must say, for those who yearn for witch trials, this is about as close as they are going to get in America these days. So, it ought to be a real hit with the demographic that goes for such things.

[_ludwigm]

I could go on and on and on, but I think you get the picture.

No, you see, that is precisely the problem. He and his friends don't get the picture.

At all.

This may be offtopic:

I did get the picture...
Even I don't have them...

by the way do I understand the language?